Last year I went via the turnpike to 222 then 30 the rest of the way into York. It was that last leg on route 30 that was the real PITA.
Dan Padova posted:Last year I went via the turnpike to 222 then 30 the rest of the way into York. It was that last leg on route 30 that was the real PITA.
For coming from the general Philly area, I believe you are taking the best route. It's just trying to leave early enough to avoid rush hour on both ends of it that is difficult. From Exit 351, I find it's very close to a 2 hour trip to the fairgrounds with no traffic (maybe slightly less now that the Tpke speed limit is 70 MPH.).
Google maps claims that if you got on at 351 (not sure which exit you are closest to, but it's easy to change the "directions from" point on Google to customize it for your situation) around 5:50 AM on Friday you could make it to the Fairgrounds by 8 AM. If there are no incidents, maybe it's right, but I'm a bit skeptical.
https://www.google.com/maps/di...6e1!7e2!8j1493366400
-Dave
I 30 from Carlisle Ave back to ? wherever east of York has always been slow. There is a lot of traffic and stores so it can't really be a surprise. I know there were years of construction. I 84 from Scranton south was always a horror show. It still gets ugly on parts of it AND I 83 south: the lanes are narrow and the pace is severe.
I looked at is as a meditative period. The fairgrounds are only a few miles away. I now stay at the Best Western( or at least in recent past ) and thus am only moments away. You want lines, go to Disney World!
OR you can wait for some wide, side x siders, that also wobble and follow them through the halls.
See you there, and for the record I don't wobble too much but have been known to fall down.
Ernie
Dan Padova posted:Last year I went via the turnpike to 222 then 30 the rest of the way into York. It was that last leg on route 30 that was the real PITA.
That may be the most direct but if you stay on the turnpike until I-83 then exit at N. George St to 30 then left on Pennsylvania you are only on 30 for two blocks. 30 is the bottle neck. Its about a ten minute ride from I-83 to the fairgrounds.
Pete
It may be less rush hour traffic, but taking the Tpke west until 83 and then back south to 30 adds around 20 miles to the trip(vs. the route Dan described).
I did that once years ago as an experiment on the way home on a Saturday. Definitely not worth it on a weekend, maybe it can be with weekday rush hour.
Only my opinion, but there needs to be one heck of a serious traffic jam before I can make up going an extra 20 miles to avoid the heavy traffic.
-Dave
Well, now that RT.30 has been covered, can we move on to restroom tipping?
Some of you make a big deal driving to York. I've been doing it for 40 years. No big deal.
Some of you make a big deal driving to York. I've been doing it for 40 years. No big deal.
True, it's no big deal. But everybody wants to get there the quickest, most efficient way possible. Can't blame them for that!
Just got an S gauge newsletter email from MTH touting the upcoming York. Seems like a clue to who may have wanted the show to open to the public. Verbage is a bit misleading as one may think the entire show is available unless they drill down to the website.
M.T.H. Electric Trains will be attending the TCA Eastern Division York Meet on April 27 - 29, 2017 at the York Expo Center in York, Pennsylvania and for the first time ever, this famous show is now open to the public! You can learn more about the York show by visiting the Eastern Division of the TCA Website.
HO, S Scale, O Scale, One Gauge and tinplate model railroading fans attending the event will have an opportunity to meet and ask M.T.H. Representatives questions about the M.T.H. product line, company direction and future plans as well as see product demonstrations and pick up a copy of our latest catalogs.
- April 2015 York TCA Meet - York, PA
Thursday, April 27, 2017: (Members Only)
12:00pm - 6:30pmFriday, April 28, 2017: (Open To The Public)
9:00am - 6:30pmSaturday, April 29, 2017: (Open To The Public)
9:00am - 4:00pm
Bombs away!
Just got an S gauge newsletter email from MTH touting the upcoming York. Seems like a clue to who may have wanted the show to open to the public. Verbage is a bit misleading as one may think the entire show is available unless they drill down to the website.
I'd guess that MTH was one of the "Big Wheels" who wanted the show open to the public. But they could not have been the only one.
To me the question is: Why aren't the other exhibitors in the dealer halls stepping up?
C W Burfle posted:Just got an S gauge newsletter email from MTH touting the upcoming York. Seems like a clue to who may have wanted the show to open to the public. Verbage is a bit misleading as one may think the entire show is available unless they drill down to the website.
I'd guess that MTH was one of the "Big Wheels" who wanted the show open to the public. But they could not have been the only one.
To me the question is: Why aren't the other exhibitors in the dealer halls stepping up?
Who would those "other exhibitors in the dealer halls" be that you wonder about concerning why they are not "stepping up" ? Whom are you thinking of? And if you are including the cottage-industry-type of vendor, what is it you are suggesting or expecting they should be doing, specifically? I'm serious. What is it you are expecting vendors , like Mr. Bishop, or Scenic Express, for example, to be doing (and are not?) Is there a "moral obligation" or "group-dynamic" that I am missing here?
FrankM.
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P.S. "Why aren't the other exhibitors in the dealer halls..." = generality. Fair? Balanced ? Qualified?
I think MTH and Lionel think the York Meet will fall apart if they don't show up. I don't spend valuable time standing in line to get a free catalog, or see Mike in person, but I'm likely to be in the minority.
Who would those "other exhibitors in the dealer halls" be that you wonder about concerning why they are not "stepping up" ? Whom are you thinking of? And if you are including the cottage-industry-type of vendor, what is it you are suggesting or expecting they should be doing, specifically? I'm serious. What is it you are expecting vendors , like Mr. Bishop, or Scenic Express, for example, to be doing (and are not?) Is there a "moral obligation" or "group-dynamic" that I am missing here?
Specifically I was thinking of larger companies that likely have newsletters and/or Email lists, like Lionel and Atlas.
I wasn't thinking that cottage industry or the small hobby business folks would have the resources to help out, but if they did, that would be great.
So, what could the big guys do? ....... exactly what MTH appears to have done. Make mention of the meet being open to the public, in either their newsletter or in a email blast to their subscribers. (or both) Don't go into too many details, just provide a link to the Eastern Division's web site. That lets the Eastern Division maintain most of the control over the message.
I guess that if the smaller guys had email lists or newsletters they could do the same.
Mention on web sites and/or Facebook pages would be great, but I would not expect many outfits, large or small, to have the policies and resources to allow this.
I don't think "moral obligation" or "group dynamic" applies here.
To me it's "pitching in" rather than just telling some other group what to do.
I think MTH and Lionel think the York Meet will fall apart if they don't show up. I don't spend valuable time standing in line to get a free catalog, or see Mike in person, but I'm likely to be in the minority.
Maybe not.
When I am able to make the meet, I do go through the Orange Hall. I've picked up some great stuff in there. There are plenty of older trains. Plus there are numerous parts dealers.
But I walk right by the Lionel, and MTH booths. Nothing of interest there for me.
Still, I am glad they are there for the people who like to see the latest from their favorite company.
C W Burfle posted:Who would those "other exhibitors in the dealer halls" be that you wonder about concerning why they are not "stepping up" ? Whom are you thinking of? And if you are including the cottage-industry-type of vendor, what is it you are suggesting or expecting they should be doing, specifically? I'm serious. What is it you are expecting vendors , like Mr. Bishop, or Scenic Express, for example, to be doing (and are not?) Is there a "moral obligation" or "group-dynamic" that I am missing here?
Specifically I was thinking of larger companies that likely have newsletters and/or Email lists, like Lionel and Atlas.
I wasn't thinking that cottage industry or the small hobby business folks would have the resources to help out, but if they did, that would be great.
So, what could the big guys do? ....... exactly what MTH appears to have done. Make mention of the meet being open to the public, in either their newsletter or in a email blast to their subscribers. (or both) Don't go into too many details, just provide a link to the Eastern Division's web site. That lets the Eastern Division maintain most of the control over the message.
I guess that if the smaller guys had email lists or newsletters they could do the same.
Mention on web sites and/or Facebook pages would be great, but I would not expect many outfits, large or small, to have the policies and resources to allow this.
I don't think "moral obligation" or "group dynamic" applies here.
To me it's "pitching in" rather than just telling some other group what to do.
Now that you've qualified your remarks with something that sounds more reasonable and less accusatory and sour, I find your points more pleasant and sensible toward everybody. Good to read you feel there is not a "moral obligation" or "group" responsibility for the little guys to advertise, also, which is what the tone of your generalized, original posting felt like in its original broad finger-pointing.
Of course, I find the irony of your last statement, here, to be remarkable, considering what you said originally. Yes, indeed. It's so easy to point fingers and accuse others of being derelict. The effort it takes to be more accurate with where one points publicly, especially when peoples' livelihoods and the good of the overall group can be concerned, is certainly preferable, isn't it.
Now that you've qualified your remarks with something that sounds more reasonable and less accusatory and sour, I find your points more pleasant and sensible toward everybody.
I'd love to know how many people interpreted my post the way you did.
C W Burfle posted:Now that you've qualified your remarks with something that sounds more reasonable and less accusatory and sour, I find your points more pleasant and sensible toward everybody.
I'd love to know how many people interpreted my post the way you did.
...and would have dared speak up?
...and would have dared speak up?
I forgot how scary I am.
Except for the occasional, and often obligatory, comments on egregious grammar and spelling errors, this is not a forum that concerns itself with writing styles. Let's get back to the horse-beating.
"Gentlemen, there is no fighting in the War Room." Dr. Strangelove.
C W Burfle posted:...and would have dared speak up?
I forgot how scary I am.
Not scary, surely. But interesting, yes. And well worth attention.
Arthur P. Bloom posted:Except for the occasional, and often obligatory, comments on egregious grammar and spelling errors, this is not a forum that concerns itself with writing styles.
However, I trust it does concern itself, occasionally , with the occasional sweeping generality and with the fair treatment of others, no matter how tiresome such conversations might appear to some (not that nuts-n-bolts aren't important, too.)
Don't misunderstand...I am a great fan of sweeping, (but not generalities) and other forms of cleansing. Fair treatment of those who cannot defend themselves is always a priority.
I'm wondering if Burfle is going to make it to York? This could be my last one. But on the other hand, I agree with whomever said, he could care less if Lionel & MTH dropped out. I have found a lot of goodies pre & post war in the orange hall.
I'm wondering if Burfle is going to make it to York? This could be my last one. But on the other hand, I agree with whomever said, he could care less if Lionel & MTH dropped out. I have found a lat of goodies pre & post war in the orange hall.
Unfortunately, no, I won't be there. Maybe next time.
So long and thanks for all the Scrapple!
