USN retired Boilerwater/Feedwater Chemistry Supervisor. Never worked for UP. I guess I can pile on DL all I want. Thank you for your permission.
ANNND . . . the reason volunteer organizations can get a locomotive back on line faster than Union Pacific is because they have LESS money and time? Really?
Thanks Rusty.really breaks me up. If you take the time to Read my post you will see the period after I mentioned,
" I can see that there are a few people that were close to the steam program and are no longer involved and their feelings are hurt."
Then that I stated the following.
"There are others on here that come on and jump on the band wagon and offer their opinions on how they think Ed is not the right person for the job. Maybe doing this makes them feel smarter about themselves. They comment on the procedure that the Steam Shop is doing and like me they have no experience rebuilding a steam locomotive except for the you tube videos they watched."
There are only a few on here that worked in a steam program that feel they need to insult Ed Dickens every chance. How ever there are quite a few that fit the second statement and just like to trash talk because it makes them feel good about themselves. I you think I'm talking about you, then you must have a guilty conscience.
There's a BIG difference between trash talking the man himself (and there may be ample reason for that. But I digress) and trash talking the work that's being done.
jmiller320 posted:I can see that there are a few people that were close to the steam program and are no longer involved and their feelings are hurt.
Seriously...how, exactly, have you been able to come to the conclusion that someone you've never met has had his feelings hurt??
Credibility, meet window.
jmiller320 posted:I can see that there are a few people that were close to the steam program and are no longer involved and their feelings are hurt.
Seriously...how, exactly, have you been able to come to the conclusion that someone you've never met has had his feelings hurt??
Maybe in the same way as so many others have drawn their own conclusions about what's happening in Cheyenne who have never been there, don't know anyone actually involved, and are basing opinions only on what they're reading online?
So, for all those who want to portray the villagers in a re-enactment of the ending of "Frankenstein," and storm Cheyenne with pitchforks and torches, have any of you contacted the suits in Omaha who are in management over Ed and the steam program, to voice your concerns?
And if so, what was the response?
Seems unlikely that nobody in Omaha hasn't sat down in a board meeting and said, "Hey, have any of you noticed we haven't run our steamers in a really long time?"
I don't have a clue about Ed or any of the real things happening in Cheyenne, but I do know that suits expect results and there hasn't been any in a long time (now, why that is, that's the part I have no real clue about). With all the public griping from fans about that fact, hasn't any of the same gripers reached out to whomever is in charge over the steam program at UP corporate to ask what the deal is in regard to how the company feels about it?
jmiller320 posted:There are only a few on here that worked in a steam program that feel they need to insult Ed Dickens every chance. How ever there are quite a few that fit the second statement and just like to trash talk because it makes them feel good about themselves. I you think I'm talking about you, then you must have a guilty conscience.
So let me get this straight: there are a few people here with vast steam experience, and they hate ED for no reason. Then there is everyone else who hates ED because it makes them feel good??
They we have the third type: People whose heads are stuck so far up that the fumes have clouded their very perception of reality. And if you think I'm talking about you, well...
If the flue fits...
Hot Water posted:Dominic Mazoch posted:With new tubes, is 844 going to need the 15 year boiler test?
No, that should have been done while all the flues/tubes were out, i.e. the ultrasound testing and re-filing the FRA Form 4. Also, the FRA Form 4 must now be amended, since the current manager cutout portions of the firebox steel and replaced those portions with different thickness steel sheets. Such "modifications" require an amendment to the FRA Form 4.
with form 4 being a FRA form could one do a freedom of information act request to get the form 4?
jmiller320, I've said this to you before and it is applicable here again.
There are none so blind as those who will not (or cannot) see... 
Rich, "If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all".[ Thumper
So we can't tell the truth and state facts any more unless they are "nice." Got it.
You are a piece of work. 
Hey guys we may want to wrap this up...next month's UP thread starts in a week and we need the bandwidth.
OGR Webmaster posted:So we can't tell the truth and state facts any more unless they are "nice." Got it.
You are a piece of work.
Rich, didn't you get the memo?
You know about steam, and therefore hate ED for no reason, or you want to make yourself feel good by belittling him.
Simple!
Rusty Traque posted:jmiller320 posted:they are put out to let all the people that think they know how to do it better and those with out a clue the progress they are making. I can see that there are a few people that were close to the steam program and are no longer involved and their feelings are hurt. They come on here and trash talk Ed every chance they get. There are others on here that come on and jump on the band wagon and offer their opinions on how they think Ed is not the right person for the job. Maybe doing this makes them feel smarter about themselves. They comment on the procedure that the Steam Shop is doing and like me they have no experience rebuilding a steam locomotive except for the you tube videos they watched. They have nothing to base their opinion on except for what they read on this and other forums or watched on you tube.
Congratulations.
You've just insulted every one here who has actually worked on steam locomotive restoration and operation while admitting you have no experience except for watching youtube videos.
Rusty
No, he didn't.
It was your out of context highlighting that tried to do that! Try adding in the previous sentences and everyone will see that he did nothing of the sort.
"There are others on here that come on and jump on the band wagon and offer their opinions on how they think Ed is not the right person for the job. Maybe doing this makes them feel smarter about themselves. They comment on the procedure that the Steam Shop is doing and like me they have no experience rebuilding a steam locomotive except for the you tube videos they watched."
p51 posted:Maybe in the same way as so many others have drawn their own conclusions about what's happening in Cheyenne who have never been there, don't know anyone actually involved, and are basing opinions only on what they're reading online?
But many of the conclusions are being drawn, not by "reading online," but what these people are actually seeing!
UP themselves is putting it out there for all to see...
MartyE posted:Hey guys we may want to wrap this up...next month's UP thread starts in a week and we need the bandwidth.
That's the funniest (and sadly, honest as well) post I've read here in a very long time! 
I wonder if you put a thread in, say, a forum for cross-stitching or goldfish enthusiasts about the UP steam program, the same people you see in every other forum making the same posts wouldn't show up and do the same there.
Whether these folks are correct or not, I do wonder how some of them have the time to make sure they post of the evils in Cheyenne everywhere I see online when the subject comes up in any context.
MartyE posted:Hey guys we may want to wrap this up...next month's UP thread starts in a week and we need the bandwidth.
You're no fun. This is the only thread on the forum where a person or organization gets to get bashed repeatedly without the thread being locked or deleted.
I'm a big boy and I can take it. I find it funny that so called grown men have to act like little children playing the game of telephone when it comes to the Union Pacific Steam Shop. The is only a small group of workers and someone is telling tails out of the school house and a bunch of you jump on here joining the haters. Rich you must know from experience what a piece of work is, because you certainly act the part yourself. OK, SMD4, Rusty Traque, DRYDOCK, DIESEL BOB, TM TERRY and the rest. Your turn you can all attack me now.
jmiller320 posted:I'm a big boy and I can take it. I find it funny that so called grown men have to act like little children playing the game of telephone when it comes to the Union Pacific Steam Shop. The is only a small group of workers and someone is telling tails out of the school house and a bunch of you jump on here joining the haters. Rich you must know from experience what a piece of work is, because you certainly act the part yourself. OK, SMD4, Rusty Traque, DRYDOCK, DIESEL BOB, TM TERRY and the rest. Your turn you can all attack me now.
Trolling!!!!!! Pure and simple!
Let's forget it all and drop the thread. Someday when they light it off someone will know. we won't live long enough to witness it though.
Your right Jim. The way some of the people act on here with all their built up hatred some of them will blow a gasket and I hope they make it to the RIP Track.
Contrary to what some of you might or might not think of this 'tread' the restoration and or repair of the UP Northern reminds me of why a large number of voters in this country are willing to listen to someone like Donald Drumph - i.e. simple uninformed answers to complex questions; absolutely no experience in governing complex situations; endless personal ridicule and insults; overt racist comments; and an ability to convince voters he can solve any issue or problem by making a great 'deal' on behalf himself and the country. In today's world if someone like Drumph or UP Management says its true it must be true thanks to our media and the bloody internet.
Saying nothing if you haven't got anything good to say about an unfortunate situation is extremely unhealthy for any corporation or democracy. All I can say is God help us all..................
jmiller320 posted:OK, SMD4, Rusty Traque, DRYDOCK, DIESEL BOB, TM TERRY and the rest. Your turn you can all attack me now.
My, my...
Sorry to disappoint you.
Rusty
jmiller320 posted:OK, SMD4, Rusty Traque, DRYDOCK, DIESEL BOB, TM TERRY and the rest. Your turn you can all attack me now.
I'm not going to attack you, no reason to. I'm just trying to figure out why are are so willing to put blind faith in a guy who's track record is ZERO. All of his steam accomplishments would fit in a thimble, his mistakes could fill a 22,000 gallon tender. Who else is brave enough, or (dumb enough) to go before the world and say that he got the wrong parts, so instead of getting the right ones, he just created a Rube Goldberg device to make them fit?
If you cannot say anything "nice", do not say anything at all.
Guess Thumper is into sensorship, and/or has not read the US CONSTITUTION.
Dieselbob posted:
Who else is brave enough, or (dumb enough) to go before the world and say that he got the wrong parts, so instead of getting the right ones, he just created a Rube Goldberg device to make them fit?
Did we not go through this before? Did not the experts here elude to the fact that the parts are right, they just weren't swedged as they should have been. Now, how many times in the history of the entire world did someone use some ingenuity to solve a problem?
Now, let me ask this question, could the ends have been left un-swedged in case the tubes were needed for another engine with different measurements?
"Guess Thumper is into sensorship, and/or has not read the US CONSTITUTION."
Guess you never learned to spell censorship, or learned that the First Amendment only applies to government actions. The moderators may govern the board here, but they are not the government, nor is anyone who posts here.
0 for 2 is not good.
Tell ya what: Look up "Chelation", "Black Magnetite", "Red Magnetite", "Caustic Stress", and "PH 8.8-9.2" Then look at the pictures of 844s innards. That'll do for a start.
Big Jim posted:Dieselbob posted:
Who else is brave enough, or (dumb enough) to go before the world and say that he got the wrong parts, so instead of getting the right ones, he just created a Rube Goldberg device to make them fit?Did we not go through this before? Did not the experts here elude to the fact that the parts are right, they just weren't swedged as they should have been. Now, how many times in the history of the entire world did someone use some ingenuity to solve a problem?
OK but, what was/is the "problem"? The the purchaser, i.e the UP, provide incorrect dimension specifications? Did the supplier not meet the purchasers specifications?
Now, let me ask this question, could the ends have been left un-swedged in case the tubes were needed for another engine with different measurements?
What "other engine"? There is only one steam locomotive on the entire UP System that requires those type flues/tubes, i.e. Type A superheaters, that is currently under repair. The current manager has essentially blamed the supplier, the Milwaukee 261 group, for the "incorrect size" of the flues. If that is indeed true, then why are those "defective flues" being repaired by the purchaser, i.e. the UP, and NOT the contracted supplier?
Big Jim posted:Dieselbob posted:
Who else is brave enough, or (dumb enough) to go before the world and say that he got the wrong parts, so instead of getting the right ones, he just created a Rube Goldberg device to make them fit?Did we not go through this before? Did not the experts here elude to the fact that the parts are right, they just weren't swedged as they should have been. Now, how many times in the history of the entire world did someone use some ingenuity to solve a problem?
Now, let me ask this question, could the ends have been left un-swedged in case the tubes were needed for another engine with different measurements?
It would be ingenuity if you couldn't GET tubes that fit. This is just STUPID. The guy who tells the world how thorough he is and how everything must be perfect, just took a short cut for no good reason. The next time I order a fuel injector for a diesel engine and they send the wrong one, I'll just have our guys drill and re-tap the cylinder head to make the one I have fit......
OK, enough is enough, Jmiller320 is just trolling now, baiting us into responding just so he can bask in all the attention. We are also getting into some thread drift. So once again I will close a thread about the UP steam program.
Until next month...when the next video update from Cheyenne will start this all over again.
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