I did not pick the year 2019 UP did.
Restoration is expected to take three to five years. The railroad would like to have the Big Boy operating by 2019 for the 150th anniversary of the driving of the Golden Spike in Utah, which linked the Union Pacific with the Central Pacific and completed the first transcontinental railroad.
coach joe posted:While watching Train Room Gary's 7/12/16 video of the 844 at Greeley i came up with some questions.
1. While the two crew members are lubing the rod bearings one is carrying a container that looks like a small cooler. While I never saw him open it I believe it was probably some sort of grease. Is that correct? If so how was it added to the pneumatic gun being used?
Yes, that is the "pin dope" as the UP referred to it. The grease sticks are about 3/4" in diameter and about 8" long. They are made of sodium soap thickened product with a special oil mixed in. The Alimite air operated grease gun has a corresponding 1" diameter hole on the top of the grease plunger portion where the grease sticks are inserted. As the operator moves the handle, which controls the air pressure to the main cylinder, the small diameter plunger forces the stick grease through the connecting tube, into the associated grease button fitting, and into the rod & bearing.
2. While the camera panned the train I noticed two doors in the middle of the side of the tender. What are these doors providing access to?
Tool lockers and firehose storage.
Casey Jones2 posted:I don't understand the "Legendary" aspect...what Legendary things has 844 done over the years besides pull as it was originally built to do?
Seriously? This may one of the worst quotes ever on this forum.
Last month, I was in Rome and visited the Coliseum and The Forum. Was I simply looking at buildings that were functioning as they were supposed to.....2,000 plus years later?
C'mon man........
1. - Train conductor Bryce Allen works on the Steam Locomotive No. 844, July 21, 2016. The historic train travels from Cheyenne, Wyoming to Denver to be part of the annual Frontier Days Train.
2 - People gather to see Steam Locomotive No. 844, during a short stop in Commerce City, July 21, 2016. The historic train travels from Cheyenne, Wyoming to Denver to be part of the annual Frontier Days Train.
3 - Railroad engineer Ed Dickens drives the Steam Locomotive No. 844, the last steam locomotive built for Union Pacific, July 21, 2016. The historic train travels from Cheyenne, Wyoming to Denver to be part of the annual Frontier Days Train.
4. - Railroad firemen, Kirt Clark, loads the boiler in Steam Locomotive No. 844, the last steam locomotive built for Union Pacific, as it rolls along toward Colorado, July 21, 2016. The historic train travels from Cheyenne, Wyoming to Denver to be part of the annual Frontier Days Train.
5. Steam Locomotive No. 844 is the last steam locomotive built for Union Pacific.
6 - Passenger Tatjana Scherschel cools off as Steam Locomotive No. 844 travel south of Greeley, July 21, 2016. The historic train travels from Cheyenne, Wyoming to Denver to be part of the annual Frontier Days Train.
7- Aubrey James, 7 months-old, with her mother and other people who gathered to see Steam Locomotive No. 844, during a short stop in Greeley, July 21, 2016. The historic train travels from Cheyenne, Wyoming to Denver to be part of the annual Forntier Days Train.
Source: RJ Sangosti, The Denver Post, July 22, 2016
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Gary
trainroomgary posted:Union Pacific’s legendary 844 steam engine returns to service for Cheyenne Frontier Days
4. - Railroad firemen, Kirt Clark, loads the boiler in Steam Locomotive No. 844, the last steam locomotive built for Union Pacific, as it rolls along toward Colorado, July 21, 2016.
Gary
Wonder who writes that stuff? I always wondered how the boiler was actually loaded! Too funny.
LOL... I have been slapped many a times for saying this!
" Railroad engineer Ed Dickens drives the Steam Locomotive No. 844," 
Step on the gas Ed!
https://ogrforum.com/t...e-the-1225-this-year
By the time all these photos make Ed's new book, all the captions will be cleaned up. I sure hope they tell us what dry chemical is being added to the firebox to control the burn.
Ed has a book coming out? Guess I will keep it in my bathroom to use as toilet paper.
BTW that is not a dry chemical to "control the burn", they're sanding the flues
I'm wondering what fuel is now being used - the correct stuff or is 844 refueling with good old #2 Diesel like done before this latest rebuild? Hope the lesson has been learned on what fuel to use...
Hot Water posted:trainroomgary posted:Union Pacific’s legendary 844 steam engine returns to service for Cheyenne Frontier Days
4. - Railroad firemen, Kirt Clark, loads the boiler in Steam Locomotive No. 844, the last steam locomotive built for Union Pacific, as it rolls along toward Colorado, July 21, 2016.
Gary
Wonder who writes that stuff? I always wondered how the boiler was actually loaded! Too funny.
It looks as if he is placing sand in the firebox to clean the flues.
Berkshire President posted:Casey Jones2 posted:I don't understand the "Legendary" aspect...what Legendary things has 844 done over the years besides pull as it was originally built to do?
Seriously? This may one of the worst quotes ever on this forum.
Last month, I was in Rome and visited the Coliseum and The Forum. Was I simply looking at buildings that were functioning as they were supposed to.....2,000 plus years later?
C'mon man........
Well I'd say 844 is famous but not legendary...other than the legendary price paid for the most expensive boiler washout in the history of the steam locomotive.
Casey Jones2 posted:Berkshire President posted:Casey Jones2 posted:I don't understand the "Legendary" aspect...what Legendary things has 844 done over the years besides pull as it was originally built to do?
Seriously? This may one of the worst quotes ever on this forum.
Last month, I was in Rome and visited the Coliseum and The Forum. Was I simply looking at buildings that were functioning as they were supposed to.....2,000 plus years later?
C'mon man........
Well I'd say 844 is famous but not legendary...other than the legendary price paid for the most expensive boiler washout in the history of the steam locomotive.
How many large steamers have never been retired from a Class I railroad? 
"...Railroad engineer Ed Dickens drives the Steam Locomotive..."
Really? Good grief.
And now sanding the flues is to be referred to as "...loading..." the boiler? 
This PR fluff copy was obviously written by someone who knows absolutely nothing about steam locomotives...totally clueless.
What a load of useless pablum. All credibility is gone. 
OGR Webmaster posted:"...Railroad engineer Ed Dickens drives the Steam Locomotive..."
DRIVES?
Really? Good grief.
And now sanding the flues is to be referred to as "...loading..." the boiler?
This PR fluff copy was obviously written by someone who knows absolutely nothing about steam locomotives...totally clueless.
What a load of useless pablum. All credibility is gone.
(with sarcasm) Don't you drive the lash-ups with the 765? 
What is really disturbing to me is the implication that 844 needed to be "restored". If the current manager had NOT changed the boiler water treatment chemicals, and had NOT changed the fuel to No.2 diesel, and had conducted proper boiler washes & blowdowns, then poor 844 would never had to be removed from service three years ago. She was running beautifully back in 2010, and capable of sustained speeds above 80 MPH.
OGR Webmaster posted:"...Railroad engineer Ed Dickens drives the Steam Locomotive..."
DRIVES?
Really? Good grief.
And now sanding the flues is to be referred to as "...loading..." the boiler?
This PR fluff copy was obviously written by someone who knows absolutely nothing about steam locomotives...totally clueless.
What a load of useless pablum. All credibility is gone.
Well not everyone on here is a professional railroader . You sound like a major league ball pitcher going down to the local park and throwing fast balls at the kids. You and hot water are bullies. You can't get at ED now so take it out on the poster. (disgusting)
Bullies? That is just plain....nuts. One can learn a lot from either.
And the problem with inaccurate posts on the Internet is that they stay there FOREVER. Someone has to clean them up......if good, usable information is something that you'd like to see passed down to future generations. Real trains don't run on TMCC or Legacy.
In the UK, what we call the "engineer" is called a "driver". Hence he/she "drives" the locomotive.
However, here in the US, Judge Judy has a term for most reporters today: STUPID!
There is nothing wrong with learning and using the correct terminology.
Gregg posted:Well not everyone on here is a professional railroader . You sound like a major league ball pitcher going down to the local park and throwing fast balls at the kids. You and hot water are bullies. You can't get at ED now so take it out on the poster. (disgusting)
I see...so in your politically correct world calling someone out on truly terrible journalism is being a bully? I hope you enjoy living in your little fantasy world.
It has nothing to do with being a professional railroader. It has EVERYTHING to do with getting it right in a published press release. In the United States the term used is "RUN" not "DRIVE." It always has been. We don't have "engine drivers" who "drive" engines here. We have "engineers" who "run" locomotives.
Another point...I am not taking the poster to task as you stated in your post. I am taking the Denver Post REPORTER to task on this. He is PAID to inform the public with accurate information, but his work on this fluff piece is totally uninformed, unresearched, unvetted and incompetent.
As for wanting to "get" Ed, I don't even know the man. We've never met. I have no dog in this fight and don't have much interest in the UP steam program one way or the other.
Bullies? One has to have power over another to bully them. How does Rich or Jack have power over you via the almighty internet? I assume you also support "safe spaces" for those whose delicate ears can't handle hearing things with which they don't agree. I will say thank you though for a huge laugh!
If someone claims to be a professional and wishes to journal something, then they should get it correct. There is no excuse for p-poor journalism.
trainroomgary posted:Hi Rich and Members:
I like this story and the photos, The Denver Post is written for their readers. Just like 'O' Gauge Railroading is written for their readers, Model Railroaders. Allan Miller, Editor-in-Chief of "O Gauge Railroading has a long history in the field of journalism. RJ Sangosti is a journalist for The Denver Post and is not a railfan writer for "Trains Magazine"
Enjoy the photos, Yes, I am a railfan and I am interested in the UP Steam Program. The Denver Post is a source that I use, to get the home town look at the UP 844. One more thing, my wife and her family are from Ouray, Colorado and the Denver Post is a state wide newspaper.
Gary
All well and good, but wouldn't think that a GOOD REPORTER should at least inquire about what the devil is going on , and maybe even learn just a little bit about the subject he/she is writing about? Under the previous steam program, i.e. prior to January 2011, there was ALWAYS a representative from the Media Relations Department out of Omaha on these special trips, and he, Mr. Mark Davis, had appropriate hand-outs for the media folks and also spent time to educate them on just what was going on!
trainroomgary posted:The Denver Post is written for their readers. Just like 'O' Gauge Railroading is written for their readers, Model Railroaders. Allan Miller, Editor-in-Chief of "O Gauge Railroading has a long history in the field of journalism. RJ Sangosti is a journalist for The Denver Post and is not a railfan writer for "Trains Magazine"
So...writing the correct term, "run," instead of "drive" would have confused their readers? Doesn't say much for their readers, or the respect these "journalists" should have for them.
Is it OK if they say that a pilot "drives" a plane, or that a sailor "runs" his sailboat?
Are these readers served by someone saying the boiler is being "loaded?" Do these readers not care about what is actually being done?
It sickens me that people seem to have no problem being mis-informed--and come to the defense of the very people who are supposed to be giving us facts. Wonder what this means for all the other stories these folks write?
Can you say "lost credibility?"
Hot Water posted:What is really disturbing to me is the implication that 844 needed to be "restored". If the current manager had NOT changed the boiler water treatment chemicals, and had NOT changed the fuel to No.2 diesel, and had conducted proper boiler washes & blowdowns, then poor 844 would never had to be removed from service three years ago. She was running beautifully back in 2010, and capable of sustained speeds above 80 MPH.
HW:
And was that after the flat wheels with the UP 1982 with the mu box, and the wrecked express boxcar?
Dominic Mazoch posted:HW:
And was that after the flat wheels with the UP 1982 with the mu box, and the wrecked express boxcar?
All during the same period of spring 2011 through summer 2013. Since the flat spotted driver tires and wrecked support boxcar were not boiler related, I did not feel those were worth mentioning.
Don't expect much out of newspaper reporting today, journalism is in a sorry state. A lot of nit picking now on this thread, I am just glad that old 844 runs !!
jim pastorius posted:Don't expect much out of newspaper reporting today, journalism is in a sorry state.
Journalism is dead. And this UP fluff piece is extraordinarily good evidence of that.
If a tiny scoop of sand being delivered through a small hole in the firedoor is now called "loading" the boiler, how will we now describe a full scoop of coal going into the firebox?
I would like to see someone step up to the tender and send an e-mail to the reporter. The Denver Post will be doing a feature story on Frontier Days and the Frontier Days Train this Sunday and explain the proper railroad terminology. It would be fun to see if we can get the reporter to use the proper terminology and answer the e-mail. I would do this but you guys know the terminology better then I do.
I just saw someone raise their hand, looks like Rich, Hot Water, or anyone.
newsroom@denverpost.com attention / RJ Sangosti: Reporter
Gary
trainroomgary posted:Send an e-mail to the reporter.
I would like to see someone step up to the tender and send an e-mail to the reporter. The Denver Post will be doing a feature story on Frontier Days and the Frontier Days Train this Sunday and explain the proper railroad terminology.
When the Denver Post is ready to pay me to be a consultant for them, I will gladly do this.
If their own reporters are too lazy to run their story by someone on the scene who knows the correct terminology, why should I do his work for him?
OGR Webmaster postedIf a tiny scoop of sand being delivered through a small hole in the firedoor is now called "loading" the boiler, how will we now describe a full scoop of coal going into the firebox?
OVERloaded???
OGR Webmaster posted:trainroomgary posted:Send an e-mail to the reporter.
I would like to see someone step up to the tender and send an e-mail to the reporter. The Denver Post will be doing a feature story on Frontier Days and the Frontier Days Train this Sunday and explain the proper railroad terminology.
When the Denver Post is ready to pay me to be a consultant for them, I will gladly do this.
If their own reporters are too lazy to run their story by someone on the scene who knows the correct terminology, why should I do his work for him?
Rich beat me to it. To add additional thoughts on this; I have found over and over and over, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to "educate" these types of "reporters", no matter whether they are print or TV. They already are in a rush, and also know everything, and there is simply no talking to them or trying to correct their misconceptions.
I'm not going through THAT anymore!
Keep in mind that the Denver Post is a pale shadow of its former self, barely hanging on in the internet age. I suspect they will be gone in a year or so. Based on their slanted reporting and poorly researched writing they will get what they deserve.
Here is a link to 3 Denver Post videos to go along with Gary's Denver Post article. I'm sure our professional railroad friends will enjoy them. Have fun!
Thanks for posting all these photos and videos, guys! Keep 'em coming.
I never had much interest in steam, but ..... following the work that has been done on 844 these past months, has really sparked my interest.
Tranz4mr posted:The Post article did mention that 844 was open for visitors today at 45th st and Brighton Blvd Denver across from the Forney museum. I went down around 5pm tonight to check it out.
I think the choice of that diesel is petty cool. Good job, UP.
Tranz4mr posted:Here is a link to 3 Denver Post videos to go along with Gary's Denver Post article. I'm sure our professional railroad friends will enjoy them. Have fun!
Hi Kent
Thanks for sharing these Denver Post Videos and your photos. I watched all three and my favorite video is 844: Take a ride inside.
Thanks - Gary
Excellent set of photos, thank you.
Of the UP Heritage Units, the one I least like is the Rio Grande. Looks like a TOY train! But OK for the group who worked with UP!
Hot,
Thank you for your very informative reply.
As for journalism, it is nearly dead. Most print reporters, like their television counterparts merely present the news as prepared by someone else. And that copywriter has little r no inclination to get the the story correct but only to get it fast and fit in the available time or space allotted.
Joe
Dominic Mazoch posted:Of the UP Heritage Units, the one I least like is the Rio Grande. Looks like a TOY train! But OK for the group who worked with UP!
As a Colorado resident UP1989 would be my favorite but I'm a bit biased.
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