UP 844 Steam Update w/ Video

trainroomgary posted:

N&W Class J posted:

Secondly, how long should a blow down be?  I presume until what is exiting is clean/clear of sediment?

Take a look at frame 50, in this video. It may answer your question. The Rail Fans on YT, are now turning in their videos and they are all free to view. No membership required.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqIYO6Yxq1Q

Published on Jul 12, 2016

The Living Legend streched her legs today after her rebuild and rolled into Greeley about noon today sorry the Canon Cam Crapped Out but other tape footage is due later just a taste to have proof she was out and about and CFD steam might just happen again this year but the 1 lane road construction on Hwy north of eaton will make a complete chase impossible

Gary

Gary, it is in this video and the synchronized black/ dark puffs of smoke may be seen throughout the entire video.  

ACE,  your response was very well written as I was able to actually make some sense out of it!!!

Are we sure this is really the UP 844?  Is this just an elaborate layout with the new Lionel 844 on it.  The video is shaky and grainy much like many UFO and Bigfoot videos calling in to question it's authenticity.    I'm skeptical.  We need more proof. 

N&W Class J posted:

Excellent video.  So here is my question, as most of us know boiler blow downs are very important.  With the exhaust from the Wilson separator clearly visible below the cab on the engineers side....will it's being relocated impact it's effectiveness?

Not its FUNCTIONAL effectiveness, but how often, where, and when the remote controlled left and right sludge removers CAN be used is effected. Both the Engineer & Fireman must not use their respective blowdowns when stopped or on display, as the steam exhausted from the Wilson centrifugal separator will blow right out into the public at trackside. Prior to the complete repiping of the Wilson system, the blowdowns could be used whenever one wanted to.

 Obviously they can't blow down by people/crowds but in terms of it's functionality will there be any loss in performance?

No, no loss in performance, but in bad water conditions, the crew are not able to "blowdown" near as often.

Secondly, how long should a blow down be?

Generally 15 to 20 seconds per "blow", per side. If more is needed, based on the condition of the discharged sludge, wait a minute or 2 and then blowdown some more.

 I presume until what is exiting is clean/clear of sediment?

The dirty boiler water that exits the discharge chute, directly under the Engineer's cab window, at track level, will gradually get cleaner/clearer, the more often the boiler is blown-down.

Ace posted:

Allegheny posted:

 While observing the 844 video taken on July 12, 2016, I observed that the engine was emitting dark smoke every  3 to 4 seconds with pauses of Clearsmoke in between. Out of curiosity is this indicative of anything ?

Them sporadic puffs of dark smoke are caused by unbalanced synchronization of the dynamic fueling nozzlectors retrofeeding inactive particulate matters into the combustionable upflow processes thereby creating illusionary valence images of aphotic constituent in the atmospheric drafting interface, so the engineer therefore blows the whistle frequently to alert spectators accordingly.

Good old "Ace" always has the answer.

Allegheny posted:

 While observing the 844 video taken on July 12, 2016, I observed that the engine was emitting dark smoke every  3 to 4 seconds with pauses of Clearsmoke in between. Out of curiosity is this indicative of anything ?

Yes, that can indicate two possible regular "happenings":

1) When the locomotive is not really working all that hard, i.e. NOT full/heavy throttle, the Fireman generally has the oil flame/firing rate "right on the edge" of a clear stack. Thus, as the combustion varies slightly the exhaust varies from clear to slight "puffs" to essentially clear. That phenomenon has been seen for years with 844.

Edit: Forgot to add, a lot depends on the type of fuel oil that is being used.

2) When the Worthington Feedwater pump is running, each stroke of the high pressure hot water pump slightly effects the exhaust sound and draft, thus potentially causing slight changes in the firebox combustion rate, resulting in slight "puffs of smoke".     

Hot Water have you ever been to the Illinois Live Steamers meet in August at Homer Glen Il?

John Mills posted:

Hot Water have you ever been to the Illinois Live Steamers meet in August at Homer Glen Il?

Yes, but not in recent years. In fact, one of my oldest friends, and mentor, Willard (bill) A. Gardner, was one of the founding members of the ILS, and I made many visits there with him over the years, and operated some of the 1 1/2" live steam locomotives. It is always a great place to visit.

Ace posted:

Them sporadic puffs of dark smoke are caused by unbalanced synchronization of the dynamic fueling nozzlectors retrofeeding inactive particulate matters into the combustionable upflow processes thereby creating illusionary valence images of aphotic constituent in the atmospheric drafting interface, so the engineer therefore blows the whistle frequently to alert spectators accordingly.

I didn't know that.

Do you know if the UP steam crew went ahead and installed that turbo-encabulator from Rockwell, to prevent side fumbling of the ambifacient lunar waneshaft?

Thanks, Matt

Matt01 posted:

Ace posted:

Them sporadic puffs of dark smoke are caused by unbalanced synchronization of the dynamic fueling nozzlectors retrofeeding inactive particulate matters into the combustionable upflow processes thereby creating illusionary valence images of aphotic constituent in the atmospheric drafting interface, so the engineer therefore blows the whistle frequently to alert spectators accordingly.

I didn't know that.

Do you know if the UP steam crew will utilize Rockwell's turbo-encabulator, to prevent side fumbling of the ambifacient lunar waneshaft?

Thanks, Matt

 

Matt,

Last I heard they were using the phase detractors

So is hot water accepting the fact that Ed and crew did know what they were doing?

I plan to be there in August with my Big Four J1e Hudson #6620.  It would be an honor to show it to you.

ironlake2 posted:

So is hat water accepting the fact that Ed and crew did know what they were doing?

Let's try not to get into this again.    Rich already shut down other threads that ventured off into this realm....

As someone who is interested in these steam programs, I'd like to have this thread stay open and stay out of the mud slinging.

John Mills posted:

I plan to be there in August with my Big Four J1e Hudson #6620.  It would be an honor to show it to you.

Thank you very much. I just might take you up on that, depending on the weather. What is the date, and how would I gain entry?

Thanks for the information/explanation Hotwater...I appreciate it.

N&W Class J posted:

Thanks for the information/explanation Hotwater...I appreciate it.

Ditto!  Very much appreciate the knowledge.

Illinois Live Steamers Anniversary meet is August 19, 20 and 21st.  I will probably go back home evening of the 20th.   Tell them your interested in live stem.  It's the people that treat it as an amusement park or babysitter for their kids they wish to discourage from coming.  Steam channel on Youtube has videos of last years meet.

John Mills posted:

Illinois Live Steamers Anniversary meet is August 19, 20 and 21st.  I will probably go back home evening of the 20th.   Tell them your interested in live stem.  It's the people that treat it as an amusement park or babysitter for their kids they wish to discourage from coming.  Steam channel on Youtube has videos of last years meet.

Thanks. Depending on the weather, I'll shoot for Friday 19th, or Saturday 20th.  I'll use your name, if that's OK.

Hello OGR Forum Rail Fans

Below is the video that started this thread on June 23, 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bwzRBGPOdU   This video on the Union Pacific, YT Channel now has 14,889 views, 278 Likes and 97 Comments and growing every hour.  There is a strong interest in Rail-Fanning and it is all free on You Tube.  With several top Rail Fan Channels covering the UP 844 Restoration and test runs for Cheyenne Frontier Days, along with the Denver Post.

Gary

It's fine with me.  Not sure everyone knows me; as I'm an affiliate member and live about 125 miles south of Chicago.

EscapeRocks posted:

Matt01 posted:

Ace posted:

Them sporadic puffs of dark smoke are caused by unbalanced synchronization of the dynamic fueling nozzlectors retrofeeding inactive particulate matters into the combustionable upflow processes thereby creating illusionary valence images of aphotic constituent in the atmospheric drafting interface, so the engineer therefore blows the whistle frequently to alert spectators accordingly.

I didn't know that.

Do you know if the UP steam crew will utilize Rockwell's turbo-encabulator, to prevent side fumbling of the ambifacient lunar waneshaft?

Thanks, Matt

 

Matt,

Last I heard they were using the phase detractors

Silly people, you know they're using cyclic balancers on the parasail indicators, in line with the turbo-obfuscator. It clears detriments to the in-line Wiffenback/Smedlap model 82A Enfluffinator that all UP FEFs had installed at the end of the steam era. Without that, 844 ain't rolling at all.

Bush league stuff, you all should know this already!

p51 posted:

EscapeRocks posted:

Matt01 posted:

Ace posted:

Them sporadic puffs of dark smoke are caused by unbalanced synchronization of the dynamic fueling nozzlectors retrofeeding inactive particulate matters into the combustionable upflow processes thereby creating illusionary valence images of aphotic constituent in the atmospheric drafting interface, so the engineer therefore blows the whistle frequently to alert spectators accordingly.

I didn't know that.

Do you know if the UP steam crew will utilize Rockwell's turbo-encabulator, to prevent side fumbling of the ambifacient lunar waneshaft?

Thanks, Matt

 

Matt,

Last I heard they were using the phase detractors

Silly people, you know they're using cyclic balancers on the parasail indicators, in line with the turbo-obfuscator. It clears detriments to the in-line Wiffenback/Smedlap model 82A Enfluffinator that all UP FEFs had installed at the end of the steam era. Without that, 844 ain't rolling at all.

Bush league stuff, you all should know this already!

Easiest method is to just find the off switch.

ironlake2 posted:

So is hat water accepting the fact that Ed and crew did know what they were doing?

Plenty of people who don't know what they are doing have been able to get steam engines running over the years.  The difference is that the knowledgeable people are able to keep them running for years or decades without major incidents or breakdowns.  Time will tell if the current crew knows what they are doing.

Kelly Anderson posted:

ironlake2 posted:

So is hat water accepting the fact that Ed and crew did know what they were doing?

Plenty of people who don't know what they are doing have been able to get steam engines running over the years.  The difference is that the knowledgeable people are able to keep them running for years or decades without major incidents or breakdowns.  Time will tell if the current crew knows what they are doing.

OUTSTANDING!   The current manager, and crew, have yet to demonstrate just that, since 2011. Also, another member of the steam current crew, resigned last Friday, the quite experienced Electrician.

Who is the 844 fireman? Or, different folks do it?

The Firemans name is Ted S.

I have to admit that I'm pretty shocked it has even run this far.  I have to think that they snuck in some outside talent from somewhere, because I don't see anyone on the regular staff that has the EXPERIENCE to make this happen.  They may have some really good workers, and they may become steam experts in the future, but right now?  Nonetheless, it runs, and you have to give them a certain amount of credit.  A word of warning though.  The real test will be next week and the months going forward, and IF Ed returns to business as usual, it will likely be all for naught.

EscapeRocks posted:

ironlake2 posted:

So is hat water accepting the fact that Ed and crew did know what they were doing?

Let's try not to get into this again.    Rich already shut down other threads that ventured off into this realm....

As someone who is interested in these steam programs, I'd like to have this thread stay open and stay out of the mud slinging.

Dieselbob posted:

I have to admit that I'm pretty shocked it has even run this far.  I have to think that they snuck in some outside talent from somewhere, because I don't see anyone on the regular staff that has the EXPERIENCE to make this happen.  They may have some really good workers, and they may become steam experts in the future, but right now?  Nonetheless, it runs, and you have to give them a certain amount of credit.  A word of warning though.  The real test will be next week and the months going forward, and IF Ed returns to business as usual, it will likely be all for naught.

Hey Bob...

What EscapeRocks said!

Chuck Sartor posted:

The Firemans name is Ted S.

Thanks. I was watching a YouTube video of 844 running in 2012, and "Ted" was working with Ed Dickens. I was curious if it is normally a set team .... that runs the engines.

All the things that the UP steam shop has done with 844 recently has sparked an interest in steam engines in me, that I've never had before.  (other than the many trips to Strasburg and Steamtown many years ago, when my kids were small. lol)

I look forward to following the UP steam program, and wish them good luck.

Parasail indicators, in line with the turbo-obfuscator?  Eeesssh and I'm still trying to figure out my Legacy remote....

N&W Class J posted:

Parasail indicators, in line with the turbo-obfuscator?  Eeesssh and I'm still trying to figure out my Legacy remote....

Aw come on, it's easy! Just make sure your vertical pontificator alignment is plumb with the long axis of the effluential drive connections.  Oh, and don't forget your Diffenberg # 9 spanner-infuser when you do the work!

(Seriously, a pal of mine who also owns a WW2 vehicle and I do this all the time to each other at airshows and parades when we display our military vehicles. The public never knows we're making the stuff up and the people who do own WW2 vehicles who haven't worked on them much often wonder what we know that they simply haven't read of yet. We've gotten really good at making up parts and tools, so much so that it comes out so fast when we get rolling that you'd never know we were making it up if you were unfamiliar with what we're talking about)

It's kinda like Engineer Ed and Fireman Ted.  They have been buddies since Jr. high school.

p51 posted:

Aw come on, it's easy! Just make sure your vertical pontificator alignment is plumb with the long axis of the effluential drive connections.  Oh, and don't forget your Diffenberg # 9 spanner-infuser when you do the work!

Lol...your killing me....

(Seriously, a pal of mine who also owns a WW2 vehicle and I do this all the time to each other at airshows and parades when we display our military vehicles. The public never knows we're making the stuff up and the people who do own WW2 vehicles who haven't worked on them much often wonder what we know that they simply haven't read of yet. We've gotten really good at making up parts and tools, so much so that it comes out so fast when we get rolling that you'd never know we were making it up if you were unfamiliar with what we're talking about)

I can only imagine how funny that has to get....plus keeping a straight face.

I really enjoyed the recent video. The engine sounds like my grandmothers  sewing machine when she wound the thing up. I think that's a good thing.  

It seems ED is also a qualified UP  engineman and has  run the 844 before the rebuild from a video I saw. . He may have been Steve Lee's fireman who let him run the engine. (or was it the other way around)

 Anyway thumbs up from me.

Steve Lee's fireman was the late Lynn Nystrum.  They worked together as a team in the previous era like Ed and Ted do now.

I have a video where ed is steve lees fireman, so that is not a rumor but fact. Also when 3985 was pulling a train with a rebuilt caboose in it to donate to a town in California ed was engineer on 3985 so  he has operated both the two engines.

I was at the back shop and talked to ed when he was in the cab waiting to leave .  Lynn Nystrom was switching some more cars on to the train.  I asked Ed which engine he preferred to run and his answer was "I wish we were taking 844" 

Chuck Sartor posted:

Steve Lee's fireman was the late Lynn Nystrum.  They worked together as a team in the previous era like Ed and Ted do now.

The big difference was/is my long time friend REALLY knew how to fire and run both 844 and 3985. Ted does not know either. I tried to train/teach Ted how to PROPERLY fire 844, on the trip to Portland, OR and return, back in 2010.

The Living Legends Returns • from the UP / YT Channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPPaF4DxQz8

Published on Jul 13, 2016

Locomotive No. 844 completed a break-in run between Cheyenne, Wyoming, and Greeley, Colorado, on July 12, 2016.

Gary

In all fairness, there is a learning curve to firing as I'm sure you are well aware of. Lynn and yourself had many more years experience than Ted has under his belt.

Chuck Sartor posted:

In all fairness, there is a learning curve to firing as I'm sure you are well aware of. Lynn and yourself had many more years experience than Ted has under his belt.

Well also, in all fairness, he already knew it all, back in 2010!

The Team Behind the Living Legend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrTtSEk98lc

Published on Jul 13, 2016

The restoration of locomotive No. 844 was possible thanks to the dedication, creativity and perseverance of the 10-person strong Steam Team. Read more about No. 844's first return journey:

http://up.com/insidetrack
Gary