What was missing from the Lionel 2017 Catalogs that you were hoping to see?

Reading & Northern 4 bay hoppers, ones with orange tags and ones with the blue tags. 

Reading & Northern covered hoppers.

In the ready to run catalog, Old Milwaukee, Miller Lite, Black Label beer cars.

Rocky Mountaineer Passenger Set.

The reasonable engine prices....

laz1957 posted:

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Rocky Mountaineer Passenger Set.

 

Definitely.    I've been asking for that one for years now -- especially in the new paint scheme!!!

Maybe even include one of the new Theatre passenger cars on the back end.  That would be so cool. 

David

Cubs World Series Champions Car - was hoping for it!

-NYC Niagara 

-PRR T1

-Any cars with sound!!! (I'm still pushing for some vision NYC milk cars to go with the Niagara when it finally makes a catalog) 

*** I will say that I was pleasantly surprised to see the swinging bell included on the S2 Electrics in the catalog . I think it is a feature that has not been used enough! I had planned or ordering one anyway but now I will be eagerly anticipating its arrival. 

Amtrak. Nothing in any of the catalogs. (and no, the water tower and girder bridge do not count!)

Union Pacific and CSX AC6000CW............................

Aside from the NYC J3A, nothing else. I'm actually satisfied.

The Spiderman F40PH

rat

The auxiliary tool tender for the T1 Freedom Train engine.    The real engine pulled one that was converted from a NYC Mohawk water tender into a tool/parts carrying tender.   It still survives as far as I know.   Lionel already has the Mohawk tender,   so it shouldn't be that difficult to produce.

Nick  

LionChief Plus #675.

Jon

A working version of the Acela.

SJS

GN passenger cars to match last year's E7's, i.e. 1947 Empire Builder.  1950 Red River or International passenger 5-car sets would also work...

Didn't see new offerings in Milwaukee Road other than a PS-2 Hopper car.  Would be nice to see a Hiawatha offered with Legacy.  Its been offered in the MTH Book, and not difficult to locate in Premeier, Imperial, or tinplate.  I was looking to see if Lionel would offer a Hiawatha with the Legacy.  I'll keep waiting for that.  I purchased alot in motive power in 2016 with a couple preorders still on the way.    ....I  can use a break.  

Other items I observed:

Lionmaster Locomotives out:  Not that I was hoping for it.

I really thought passenger cars for the Reading T1's would be shown.  I think some of those who purchased one would like some type of passenger cars. 

Its still a really good catalog,  I don't mean to be negative.  I will order a few items, but I am really thinking about ordering those MTH Milwaukee Electric Boxcabs from my dealer.  

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

Title of the thread says it all.  I'll start off with my very short list of things I really thought we'd see.  I'm not planning to buy lots of stuff anyway in 2017, but I would have found a way to fit these purchases in if they were offered:

• An Aux Tender for the Freedom Train's GS-4.

David

The GS-4 did not use an auxiliary tender during the entire Freedom Train Tour.

Scale Santa Fe Steam

Clearly stated Additional Features- The last few catalogs have been absolutely bereft of itemized lists of features (variable ash pan glow, cab light, work lights, etc).  I suppose the less they state the fewer instances of omissions and mistakes can be recognized by the consumer.  However it is difficult to purchase (much less pre-order) an expensive item based on cg photos and little information about the item's features.  

NYC Pacific with a six axle tender.

An Ohio Central diesel. MTH must have a lock on that road name.

Actually I am glad there is nothing that is jaw dropping... it will give my wallet a rest.

However, since you asked:

1) Northern Pacific North Cost Limited cars in the Loewy scheme, with F7's in A-B-A to match.

2) 2 pk of add on 21 inch Union Pacific excursion cars.

3) A Northern Pacific/GN/ or SP&S challanger

4) What no scale war bonnets in Legacy?

5) If you are going to remake and AC9 - make this one an oil burner.

6) PRR S1 Duplex would have hurt the wallet

7) and of course still looking for this...

Oh well, this catalog will keep me out of the dog house!

Hot Water posted:

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

Title of the thread says it all.  I'll start off with my very short list of things I really thought we'd see.  I'm not planning to buy lots of stuff anyway in 2017, but I would have found a way to fit these purchases in if they were offered:

• An Aux Tender for the Freedom Train's GS-4.

David

The GS-4 did not use an auxiliary tender during the entire Freedom Train Tour.

I guess I'm referring to the one MTH offered for their GS-4 Freedom Train locomotive.  Item #20-3077-3.  Even if it's not prototypical to real life, I'd run it with my Freedom Train. 

David

J Daddy posted:

Actually I am glad there is nothing that is jaw dropping... it will give my wallet a rest.

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Oh well, this catalog will keep me out of the dog house!

 

I think this is a common sentiment expressed by many.  So kudos to Lionel marketing for picking up on that feeling in the air.  2016 was a killer year for some budgets when everything arrived in 4Q2016.  And there's still more stuff that slipped into 2017 for delivery.  So the fact that the 2017 Signature Catalog is a bit of a sleeper will be a benefit to lots of folks.  My funds are being targeted toward layout development in 2017, so the timing was great to not see compelling "must have" items in this years catalogs. 

David

A new Rotary Coal Dumper to go with all the Rotary coupler Bathtub Gondolas!

Still hopeful this will be done in legacy 

The NYC S-3 electric - essentially same as the S-1 and S-2 from the waist up, but with a longer frame. The Central had many. 

The S-3's were designed as 2-D-2 ("4-8-4" in steam-speak) locos, not as 1-D-1's as were the S-1 and S-2's. The 1-D-1 was unstable at high speeds and there was a terrible wreck with one, after which they were converted to 2-D-2's. The new S-3's were built that way.

These S-class electrics eventually wound up as switchers, but were designed as high-speed passenger locos, bringing the 20th Century Limited and others into Manhattan after the steam power was switched out at Harmon (smoke abatement ordinances).

We didn't get any more sound cars.

Something like any of the light rail cars popping up all over the country.  A 3 truck articulated piece that would look perfect on some street running.  

A new Mi-Jack crane would have been ideal for my layout.  LOCOMOTION 

Wish Lionel would rerun the tugboats.

I like their new scale length pass cars but would like to eventually see scale length amfleet, viewliners and a metroliner.

A scale PRR Congressional Pass Set

A scale C&O L1, NYC Commodore Vanderbilt

Catalog likes,

NS theater car

NYC E8's, wish dummy was powered

NYC ESE pass cars, wish they'd do non diner sounds diners.

Mill side Gons

Grain Door boxcars

PS-2CD hoppers

Hoping to see....

• Scale transfer caboose
• Newer accessories
• Reemergence of the Mainline signals series

Last year, Big L finally came out with a Legacy SD45, but also no mention, or further expansion of that product line. At least they could have done the EMD Demonstrator scheme-one that should have been in the introduction of this model.

Southern Pacific Black Widow or Scarlet F7 Legacy or Lion Chief Plus.

LCS Block detector.

LEGACY Southern Mikes (4501 in both Black freight & Green Passenger liveries)

LEGACY Scale N&W A Class

LEGACY Auxiliary Tenders (2 N&W Black, N&W J class stripe, Black unlettered)

21" TVRM consist

Possible hopes for newly tooled 21" Heavyweight passenger cars

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

laz1957 posted:

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Rocky Mountaineer Passenger Set.

 

Definitely.    I've been asking for that one for years now -- especially in the new paint scheme!!!

Maybe even include one of the new Theatre passenger cars on the back end.  That would be so cool. 

David

EXACTLY!!!  Just a beauty of a set.  How bout it LIONEL?

A version of the Walter E. Disney, like in the Magic Kingdom (with the correct cars)

I agree with Dave on a scale transfer caboose.

A small diesel locomotive (like a Whitcomb or smaller) to pull those little disconnect cars on my O31 Christmas tree layout.

Die-cast diesels.

Second on Heavyweight passenger cars

Amtrak Viewliners

ROHR/Francoamerican turboliner sets

Subway

Usra 2-10-2

More industrial buildings.

What was missing from the catalog was MUCH LOWER more affordable prices!!!!!!!!!