The C&O L-1 streamlined Hudson is a cool looking engine. They ran it into the late '40's on the George Washington. I can't find any photos of it except for 1. Are they Pullman's ? From which period?
Thanks.
Edit: Would these be close enough? see attached photo of Lionel heavyweights
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Here's a pic:
Looks like a mix. As much as we like to think streamlined steam pulled matching passenger cars, it just wasn't always the case.
Here's a pic:
Looks like a mix. As much as we like to think streamlined steam pulled matching passenger cars, it just wasn't always the case.
Pic didn't show. So, which years in the mix '20's, thirties and forties or just 20's and thirties?
It's my understanding that the streamlined Hudson was part of the business plan that involved the M1 Steam Turbine Electrics. That was the reason for the similar paint and the stainless steel trim. The streamlined cars that were supposed to be used with the Chessie didn't arrive until after the decision was made to scrap the turbines. During the limited run time the turbines did see; they were pulling green GW heavyweights. I would have expected that these Hudsons were pulling the same.
An attractive fantasy consist would have the Hudson pulling the Chessie cars. It would be accurate for "what it was supposed to look like".
Gilly
I was reading what I could find on the George Washington, a long running route. Stopped at the Greenbrier before heading west. I like that place.
Thanks, Gilly. I thought the blue and yellow was used with the diesels.
I didn't even look. Lionel made the GW set 6-15597.
The C&O F-19 Pacifics were rebuilt into the L-1 Hudsons in 1946. The tri-color streamlined P-S passenger cars did not arrive until mid 1950. The L-1's were retired in 1953. Therefore from 1946 until at least mid 1950 they pulled only green heavyweights. After mid 1950 it would be a mix until all the head end cars, diners, and a heavyweight coaches were repainted into the tri-color scheme. The L-1's were originally painted orange (like MTH's C&O M-1 steam-turbine -electric), not yellow. Supposedly they were repainted yellow after the new passenger equipment was delivered but I've never seen any color photographs of yellow L-1's in service.
Ken
I did some more poking and found the C&O Historical Society Web sight....
Its a good read. Looks like the 490 was scrapped before any stream lined cars hit the rails by 1950... C&O only receive 99 cars of the 284 cars on order after the war.
The passenger ridership had declined so the cars were not needed and sold off to other railroads.
http://www.cohs.org/history/passenger.shtml
BTW, you'll never know how hard it has been for me to not buy one of these! I love streamlined steamers. It is my personal slippery slope. If I ever got started, who knows when I would stop.
Gilly
That's what started all of this. A good price on an early TMCC version with the pulmor. Add an ERR AC board, a Baby Fatboy, maybe a new smoke unit. I almost have the guy down where it's doable.
I am an Alaska RR guy, but the engine just looks so cool.
Thank you gentlemen. I could run fantasy with the blue\yellows or go with green.
I did some more poking and found the C&O Historical Society Web sight....
Its a good read. Looks like the 490 was scrapped before any stream lined cars hit the rails by 1950...
The 490 was not scrapped. Its at the B&O Museum right now as it has been for decades.
Ken
I have a Lionel L-1 that I put a Frank Timko can motor in and a TAS EOB system. I think the sound card is a SP GS4.
Also made some corrections to the paint job like painting the pilot truck gray. One of these days I may get around to painting it orange.
Ken
I did some more poking and found the C&O Historical Society Web sight....
Its a good read. Looks like the 490 was scrapped before any stream lined cars hit the rails by 1950...
The 490 was not scrapped. Its at the B&O Museum right now as it has been for decades.
Ken
I have a Lionel L-1 that I put a Frank Timko can motor in and a TAS EOB system. I think the sound card is a SP GS4.
Also made some corrections to the paint job like painting the pilot truck gray. One of these days I may get around to painting it orange.
Ken
Ken,
It looks as nice as I thought it would. Thanks for the videos. I wasn't sure about the sound card. It is RS2. Was there 490 specific crew\tower talk originally ?
I have a Lionel L-1 that I put a Frank Timko can motor in and a TAS EOB system. I think the sound card is a SP GS4.
Also made some corrections to the paint job like painting the pilot truck gray. One of these days I may get around to painting it orange.
Ken
Ken,
It looks as nice as I thought it would. Thanks for the videos. I wasn't sure about the sound card. It is RS2. Was there 490 specific crew\tower talk originally ?
The Lionel L1 came with RS2 which couldn't be used in the TAS board. That had to take an RS4 board. I don't think the original sounds had crew talk, but I do remember I didn't care for the sounds much and the RS4 sounds were a big improvement.
Ken
Here's a photoshoped colorized version of a B&W picture taken at Main St Station in Richmond, VA showing the L1 in orange with mixed streamlined and heavyweight equipment.
Ken
fantasy with the blue\yellows
The "fantasy" I was referring to would have been the silver Chessie cars...
I have a set of these that I pull with my C&O M1 Turbine. Even with the turbine, this is a fantasy set. But; it is Purdy. While my interests are primarily N&W, the C&O M1 fits within my "Quadfecta of Coal Turbines".
Gilly
Looks like the 490 was scrapped before any stream lined cars hit the rails by 1950...
Does the B&O museum know that?
Rusty
That must look Purdy! I'll check the history for the year of those.
We have the W & W (Winchester & Western)here in South Jersey. "The Sandman". It moves sand from Millville, NJ sand pits and transfers the cars in Camden.
Here's a pic:
Looks like a mix. As much as we like to think streamlined steam pulled matching passenger cars, it just wasn't always the case.
Pic didn't show. So, which years in the mix '20's, thirties and forties or just 20's and thirties?
Let's try this again:
I see streamlined and heavyweight.
Ron,
Great picture. That's one I haven't seen before. Where did you find it? I can see someone's logo in the lower left but can't read it. I would like to get the full size file for it?
Ken
Ron,
Great picture. That's one I haven't seen before. Where did you find it? I can see someone's logo in the lower left but can't read it. I would like to get the full size file for it?
Ken
Photovalet.
That must look Purdy! I'll check the history for the year of those.
We have the W & W (Winchester & Western)here in South Jersey. "The Sandman". It moves sand from Millville, NJ sand pits and transfers the cars in Camden.
Carl,
If your interested in more information on the C&O lightweights, both the Budd Chessie cars and the Pullman Standard cars, get the book Chesapeake and Ohio Streamliners, Second to None, Vol 1 from the C&O Historical Society. It has all the info on these cars including pictures, floor plans, and dispositions.
The L-1's were initially planned to pull the Virginia (Newport News - Charlottesville) and Kentucky (Louisvile -Ashland) connecting sections of The Chessie. When that train was cancelled in 1948 due to low ridership projections, the L-1's were mainly used on the Newport News - Charlottesville and Washington - Charlottesville portions of the C&O's other mainline trains.
The C&O seriously over ordered passenger cars. Not only was there unanticipated significant post war ridership decreases, but a long miners strike in 1948 severely cut the railroad's income.
Budd cars:
46 ordered and delivered
41 sold after a few years of service
5 retained after early 1950's
P-S cars:
287 ordered
99 cancelled
142 delivered
33 sold after delivery
117 retained
The numbers don't add up. There must be a mistake in the book, but in any case it illustrates a huge mistake in the original order.
Ken
Thanks, Ken, I think I have enough. This all started because I saw an engine for sale. Then, if I bought the engine, what would it pull?
The answer that I like is a mix of the Green GW's and the Blue\Yellow Streamliners.
I don't think it matters really. No one is going to look at the cars whether the engine is orange or yellow
I think it would be great to offer the Original Chessie Streamline cars in Budd Silver with the Yellow letterboard. As it was supposed to run. Would you buy a set of 6 cars to run with either your Steam Turbine or #490 Streamlined Hudson?
sdmann posted:I think it would be great to offer the Original Chessie Streamline cars in Budd Silver with the Yellow letterboard. As it was supposed to run. Would you buy a set of 6 cars to run with either your Steam Turbine or #490 Streamlined Hudson?
Scott,
Let me be the first one to say that I'd reserve a set. However, the letterboards should be orange to match the M-1 and the original paint scheme on the L-1. After The Chessie was cancelled most cars did have their letterboards repainted yellow. The majority were transferred to the Pere Marquette district (pulled by E7's) and a few were used system wide. However, all but a handful of the cars were stored then sold when the C&O P-S order of cars arrived in mid 1950.
The question is what cars to produce. The Chessie was to be an eleven car train with a lot of different cars. The connecting Newport News-Charlottesville and Louisville - Ashland connecting sections (which were to be pulled by the L-1's) were 4 car trains.
Ken
I'd buy a domed observation car if they are offered separately.
sdmann posted:I think it would be great to offer the Original Chessie Streamline cars in Budd Silver with the Yellow letterboard. As it was supposed to run. Would you buy a set of 6 cars to run with either your Steam Turbine or #490 Streamlined Hudson?
I think that is an awesome idea, and really cool for this engine, and others like it in the future for sure!
sdmann posted:I think it would be great to offer the Original Chessie Streamline cars in Budd Silver with the Yellow letterboard. As it was supposed to run. Would you buy a set of 6 cars to run with either your Steam Turbine or #490 Streamlined Hudson?
Scott, if you make it, you must make it with the Vista Dome Chessie cars including the observation! Hmmm, I wonder how many MTH owners would jump at the chance to get a set too? Your first "set" with more car than engine sales? 
(Without a Vista Dome Obs in the set of passenger cars, the MTH M-1 Chessie is always a no go...)
Here's the original intended consist of The Chessie:
Washington - Cincinnati:
Newport News-Charlottesville and Ashland-Louisvile sections:
As you can see there are a lot of different types of cars so it would be difficult to pare this down to a representative six car consist.
Here's a possible 7 car configuration:
Drop the two Jim Crow cars, but since this eliminates the kitchen it also eliminates the main dining car. Drop the family coach. You get:
OR you can build the four car connecting train consists but this eliminates the desirable dome cars.
The dome-day cabins cars went to the B&O in 1949 so I would think the B&O guys would love to have a version of this car. Also the dome-observations went to the D&RGW so the Rio Grande guys might want that version.
Ken
It is a "Puddy Cat", for the road of the "Chessie Cat".
I've updated our site with intended cars. We can haggle about exactly what cars in the set, but 6 is a nice running consist for many, as they are long. I do believe that the Yellow color is appropriate as these cars were to be run post war with the L-1 in 1948. I would entertain making the early paint color as a custom set for those that want them.
Also, these cars will be offered in other roads that got them post war. Looking forward to building that list.
Baggage / Coach
Coach
Dome Coach
Lunch Counter / Tavern Lounge
Dining Room / Theater
Dome Observation
Extra Dome Coaches and Coaches can be purchased separately.
No, we don't sell the OBS alone, it's what helps up sell enough cars to make these projects happen. With the number of L-1s we have reserved, I think both these projects are a go.
Cheers, and thank you for all you input , information and above all, ORDERS.
sdmann posted:I've updated our site with intended cars. We can haggle about exactly what cars in the set, but 6 is a nice running consist for many, as they are long. I do believe that the Yellow color is appropriate as these cars were to be run post war with the L-1 in 1948. I would entertain making the early paint color as a custom set for those that want them.
Also, these cars will be offered in other roads that got them post war. Looking forward to building that list.
Baggage / Coach
Coach
Dome Coach
Lunch Counter / Tavern Lounge
Dining Room / Theater
Dome Observation
Extra Dome Coaches and Coaches can be purchased separately.
No, we don't sell the OBS alone, it's what helps up sell enough cars to make these projects happen. With the number of L-1s we have reserved, I think both these projects are a go.
Cheers, and thank you for all you input , information and above all, ORDERS.
Sweet! Thanks Scott! And thank you and KUDOS for offering to do the custom set for those wanting the earlier paint scheme!
YOU ROCK!
David
Ok, so. My local train shop as a ps-3 (i dont think its premier, but might be) MTH _regular steam engine_, not streamlined, in black (blue?) boiler, yellow/blue stripe, silver bottom on the tender, small silver triangle on the footplate that blends the loco to the tender to the heavyweights. I haven't bought it yet, don't think its going anywhere. Supposedly its a hudson, but I sure as **** can't find this MTH loco no matter where I look online. It is _purty_. Based on this thread, I think I am going to head out to get it this weekend.
I knew I'd seen that C&O yellow and blue scheme, high headlight on a yellow boiler front before...
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Just couldn't place it right away.
Complete with a 'smoke spritz', too!
Hahah! They pulled it round the track, passenger effects, steam, all that jazz. Really nice price, but I wanted to offload tubular and replaced it with fastrack while I was there. I keep eyeing up 3791, but thats a chessie, and I dont have those cars, but instead the aluminum named blue/yellow/silver c&o cars from lionel I am looking to pull. :|
That wasn't the most intriguing of steamers, but I did like it, and it was a good starter engine. And of course, the store isn't open except w/f/s. :|
Will get the part number on wednesday.
Found it!
https://mthtrains.com/30-1200-1
Railking, not premier, but that looks like a good entry level that should pull the above mentioned cars just fine! I have 6 of the 7 named passenger cars; is there any reason this shouldn't be able to pull those, up the 3.5 grade you get with the MTH graded pier set?
Just so you are aware, that paint scheme is a complete fantasy. No C&O steam locomotive was ever painted like that. But its your railroad so if you like it, go for it.
Ken
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