any New Haven fans ....

Apples55 posted:

MELGAR posted:

Apples55 posted:

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

APPLES55,

POKEY493's pictures show what remains of a part of the New Haven's history that few people now recall or bother to investigate. As much as I like all the other pictures and comments on this thread, they can be found in many other places - books, on line and videos. POKEY493's pictures are unique. I sure would like to be able to walk along the airline...

MELGAR

Well, MELGAR, now you've gone and done it... as a life long history fan, you are going to make me start doing some research on the NH as well as the Air Line!!! 

Thanks for your perspective.

APPLES55,

It's not the first time I've gotten blamed for something!

In my opinion, the book which best covers the history and development of the NYNH&HRR is "Connecticut Railroads: An Illustrated History" by Gregg Turner and Melancthon Jacobus. It details all the Connecticut railroads that eventually became part of the New Haven, including the Boston & New York Air Line Railroad, which ran diagonally across the State and was a shorter route between New York, New Haven and Boston than the main route along the shoreline that is in use today.

Another resource is "New Haven Power 1838 - 1968" by J. W. Swanberg, which covers in great written and photographic detail all the New Haven's locomotive and car types up to the 1969 merger of the New Haven into the Penn Central.

Send me an e-mail if you want some help in locating these books.

MELGAR 

Again i'll make my request for help. As stated in an earlier post i'm need of some good photos of the roof detail s on an EP3 "Flatbottom". I'm attempting to model one in traditional "0" size using a spare K-Line GG1 chassis as a starting point. It will be fabricated out of brass and plastic - i'll post some photos as soon as i overcome fabricating the roof. At this point i'm almost done with the sides, and have figured out a means of attaching the body to the chassis.

Hence photos of the roof details will be appreciated. Thank you.

Some quick images of MTH EP3 roof. Note the steam boiler exhaust stack at the right side of photo 3.

MELGAR

I haven't seen these Lionel Alco's yet, this is the first train set I bought with my own money.....

Paul

MELGAR --- Thank you so much for the pics; these will give me a great starting point. It appears the engine you photographed is painted in the so-called "Brooks Brothers" scheme. Is the main color green or grey? If so does anyone know the exact name of the color? Also were the stripes white or silver. As i plan ahead, that is one of the two color schemes i'm considering; the other being pullman green with gold striping. Any others from anyone else will be appreciated. Thanks again.

The colors on #0350 are New Haven Hunter Green and Silver.

MELGAR

That was Jack Lemon....not TR.....

Dom, good one.  The New Haven I-5 Hudson ran when I was a young boy.  My Mother worked in the New Haven shops at Readville while my Father was serving in the Navy.  She has a great memory of that engine.   My engine is a Weaver engine that I converted to PS3.  This engine was great to do as it has sprung drivers and rollers on the tender.  The tender rollers combined with the engine rollers make an engine that can span bad track work if needed.  BTW, I do not have bad track work but do have an excellent running I-5 Hudson.   I recently did one of those engines for forum member Gerry Morlitz.

Here are a few that are a bit different...

After the New Haven was absorbed into the Penn Central in January, 1969, the operating territory of the GG1 was extended to New Haven.  This GG1 is shown heading back to NY Penn Station.  It is about to pass over the **** Gate heading south.  Note the two REA cars following the engine.

[Sorry; image removed to avoid potential copyright issues.  Contact me offline if you'd like a private copy.]

After the NH's bankruptcy but before the Penn Central's, GG1's did indeed travel the NH Right of Way all the way to Union Station in New Haven:

[Sorry; image removed to avoid potential copyright issues.  Contact me offline if you'd like a private copy.]

It's not orange and black, but it's pretty darned cool!

Steven J. Serenska

The New Haven acquired 40 RDCs in 1952 and ‘53 and referred to them as “Shoreliners.” Twenty-nine were RDC-1s (passengers only), two were RDC-2s (baggage compartment at one end), six were RDC-3s (passenger, baggage and mail sections), and three were shorter RDC-4s (baggage and mail only). At the time, the New Haven was the country’s largest user of RDCs, running them mostly on branch lines and in commuter service. They were powered by two 275 HP General Motors diesel engines mounted below the floor, air-conditioned, and could accommodate 89 passengers. Many of these cars lasted until the New Haven was absorbed into the Penn Central in 1969. New Haven Railroad Budd RDC 47 was photographed at the Danbury (CT) Railway Museum – June 1, 2017.

MELGAR

An I-5, an I-5; my kingdom for a RK I-5!

Hopefully......soon...... have to wait for the auction to end

And the winner is....... ME

My first 44 ton switcher. Been looking for one for a while. My first New Haven too.

                nice looking switcher !   

Thanks Brian. I just picked up a WbB BL-2 and was very impressed with the quality. Can't wait to see this one.

I was never a fan of Lionel's 44 ton switcher.  But this one, in New haven livery is a beauty.  

OOH- the Plymouth! Gotta get one to add to my collection.

Thanks Brian now I need to buy more stuff

I'm with you Dan. I don't like the Lionel's either. Too plain jane.

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

9604

http://www.lionel.com/products...-wsnow-plow-6-22624/

9603

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...74F26&PageID=995

briansilvermustang posted:

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

http://www.lionel.com/products...-wsnow-plow-6-22624/

Paul- I have two of these. They are from K-line. great little switchers, good pulling power and smoke too. I have one pulling 6 freight cars now.

Not to hijack the thread but here they are in action.

Bob

                                     very Cool Bob !!     they look GREAT

Thanks Brian and Bob... I'll have to keep my eyes out for one of those.

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

Do these locos come with standard Lionel operating knuckle couplers ?

Brian posted pictures of New Haven 44 Ton, S-2 and RS-3 locomotives. Here are models of same. GE 44 Ton #0807 and ALCO S-2 #0617 are recent MTH models. ALCO RS-3 #518 is a much older K-Line model.

MELGAR

          like them switchers Mel !!!

briansilvermustang posted:

          like them switchers Mel !!!

Thanks Brian. But nothing can compare with your phenomenal diesel collection!

MELGAR

Dan Padova posted:

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

Do these locos come with standard Lionel operating knuckle couplers ?

Dan- the two I have came with fixed knuckle couplers. The PRR model still has them but the NYC has a slightly smaller operating couplers installed. I believe they will accept kadees if that is your preference.

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

Brian also posted this picture, which deserves a special comment if one is a New Haven fan.

The picture shows ALCO S-2 #0600 on the team tracks adjacent to the office and yard of the Union Freight Railroad at 87 Atlantic Avenue in Boston.

The New Haven was a part-owner of the Union Freight Railroad which ran through the middle of the streets in Boston’s North End and operated mostly at night. Its purpose was to haul freight (mostly box cars) between North and South Stations, a distance of 2.11 miles, and to businesses along the Boston waterfront on Atlantic and Northern Avenues, and Commercial and Causeway Streets. Beginning in the 1920s, the motive power consisted of four 80-ton three-truck Climax geared steam locomotives that were fully enclosed. They were retired in 1946 and followed by GE 44 Ton and ALCO S-2 diesel locomotives until operations ended in March 1970. The UFRR was still running when I arrived in the area to attend college. I will not admit to what year that was, but suffice it to say that this was a remarkable railroad that I shall always remember.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

          like them switchers Mel !!!

Hey guys, let's keep our love for these NH switchers just between us; otherwise, the companies will jack up their prices. LOL

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

          like them switchers Mel !!!

Hey guys, let's keep our love for these NH switchers just between us; otherwise, the companies will jack up their prices. LOL

They already have.

MELGAR

          oops....

Dan Padova posted:

I was never a fan of Lionel's 44 ton switcher.  But this one, in New haven livery is a beauty.  

That's because the Lionel postwar 44 ton switchers were cheaply made and not good pullers compared to the great Lionel switchers in the early 1950s. But the new 44 ton switchers by K Line and MTH with smoke, good pulling power, sounds and other nice features are awesome, according to our friends on this Forum who have the modern ones.

John Pryke's HO rendition of the Union Freight is now at the Nauset Model Railroad Club in Orleans, MA. It is truly a work of art and the club is very fortunate to have it.

The NMRC holds open houses in the summer.

John Pryke’s Union Freight

RSJB18 posted:

And the winner is....... ME

My first 44 ton switcher. Been looking for one for a while. My first New Haven too.

Now - to paint the hoods orange!

ctr posted:

John Pryke's HO rendition of the Union Freight is now at the Nauset Model Railroad Club in Orleans, MA. It is truly a work of art and the club is very fortunate to have it.

The NMRC holds open houses in the summer.

Beautiful. That is how the Boston waterfront area looked in the 1960s. The water, tracks in street and backdrops are outstanding. Do you know when John built this? He and I attended the same school in Cambridge. Size of layout?

MELGAR

Jim Waterman posted:

RSJB18 posted:

And the winner is....... ME

My first 44 ton switcher. Been looking for one for a while. My first New Haven too.

Now - to paint the hoods orange!

Personally, I would leave it as is.  I like the understated look.  

MELGAR posted:

The New Haven acquired 40 RDCs in 1952 and ‘53 and referred to them as “Shoreliners.” Twenty-nine were RDC-1s (passengers only), two were RDC-2s (baggage compartment at one end), six were RDC-3s (passenger, baggage and mail sections), and three were shorter RDC-4s (baggage and mail only). At the time, the New Haven was the country’s largest user of RDCs, running them mostly on branch lines and in commuter service. They were powered by two 275 HP General Motors diesel engines mounted below the floor, air-conditioned, and could accommodate 89 passengers. Many of these cars lasted until the New Haven was absorbed into the Penn Central in 1969. New Haven Railroad Budd RDC 47 was photographed at the Danbury (CT) Railway Museum – June 1, 2017.

MELGAR

Many of the New Haven's RDC fleet ran during the Penn Central years; at first in NH paint, then later on with Penn Central lettering on the sides and New York Central-style "fright stripes" on the end. The ex-New Haven RDCs often continued to sport the New Haven air whistles, though.

Copyright 2000.

John Pryke’s New Haven layout was also featured in several past issues of MODEL RAILROADER. John was a extremely skilled modeler and author.