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Hello BxCrSun fans, I have a little history then I will illustrate with some of my boxcars/ and my NEW refr.  When we talk about "S" scale or 3/16" to the foot, we all immediately think of postwar American Flyer.  This is logical because there is no question that William Coleman clearly made this a national brand and a very popular item.  However, I wonder how many of us would think that about the same time that Mr. Coleman emerged as the "king" of "S" scale there was another toy train manufacturer who was about to bring out a full like of 3/16 " scale cars and it was LOUIS MARX!!  That's right, Marx  with his S scale line was neck and neck with Coleman and their trains emerged w/in a few years of each other, exact dating is somewhat confusing because of the production interruption caused by the war.

So here is the Marx story...(reference "Greenbergs Guide to Marx Trains, Chapter XIV by Larry Jensen, 1985) as the country began to emerge from the great depression, Marx concluded that family money for high end toys would begin to be available again.  He also observed that Lionel and Flyer appeared to be doing well with "scale" trains.  So Marx began development of 3/16" scale train line perhaps beginning as early as 1939, but maintaining 0 gauge so that the existing track etc could be used.  Note American Flyer did the same thing in the late 30's (1938-39).  Initial development began about 1940 and Marx expected to have his entire line ready by 1942.  In fact the first of these trains did appear in the Wards and Spiegel catalogs in 1942 and supposition is that Marx did not offer these to his large customers (Wards, Sears) because he simply did not have enough to meet their orders.  Although never formally named, it is widely assumed that the 999 locomotive was intended to be the "scale" locomotive although the 333 with the diecast tender is also associated with these cars and other engines were used.  The 999 while OK for 1941 became problematic for 1942 as materials for the die cast engine were going towards the war effort so some sets switched to the sheet metal 397.

The first of these cars to emerge included the PFE refer, B&M flat car with load, LNE hopper, and Reading caboose.  Other box cars pictured here followed after the war, although their lithographed blt dates all say 1941 however the UP box and NY, NH& Hartford appear to have been produced in the post war period emerging in about 1948.  So here are some Marx "S" scale freights including my "new" PFE refr.

Here is the Marx SP PFE 3/16 " scale refrigerator car.  Note that despite the 3d visual effect the car is flat except for the doors.  The 3d effect is entirely due to the lithography.

Marx scale refr side view

Here is the data end of the car

Marx scale refr name end

The logo end of the car.

Marx scale refr logo end

Here are the Marx 3/16 scale box/refr cars with the 999 engine that was supposed to lead them.  You can judge for yourself how well the scales match, looks pretty good to me.

Marx 999 and scale box cars



Marx 999 and full train of scale boxcars

Well I hope your weekend is going OK.  Best wishes

Don

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Hello BxCrSun fans, I have a little history then I will illustrate with some of my boxcars/ and my NEW refr.  When we talk about "S" scale or 3/16" to the foot, we all immediately think of postwar American Flyer.  This is logical because there is no question that William Coleman clearly made this a national brand and a very popular item.  However, I wonder how many of us would think that about the same time that Mr. Coleman emerged as the "king" of "S" scale there was another toy train manufacturer who was about to bring out a full like of 3/16 " scale cars and it was LOUIS MARX!!  That's right, Marx  with his S scale line was neck and neck with Coleman and their trains emerged w/in a few years of each other, exact dating is somewhat confusing because of the production interruption caused by the war.

So here is the Marx story...(reference "Greenbergs Guide to Marx Trains, Chapter XIV by Larry Jensen, 1985) as the country began to emerge from the great depression, Marx concluded that family money for high end toys would begin to be available again.  He also observed that Lionel and Flyer appeared to be doing well with "scale" trains.  So Marx began development of 3/16" scale train line perhaps beginning as early as 1939, but maintaining 0 gauge so that the existing track etc could be used.  Note American Flyer did the same thing in the late 30's (1938-39).  Initial development began about 1940 and Marx expected to have his entire line ready by 1942.  In fact the first of these trains did appear in the Wards and Spiegel catalogs in 1942 and supposition is that Marx did not offer these to his large customers (Wards, Sears) because he simply did not have enough to meet their orders.  Although never formally named, it is widely assumed that the 999 locomotive was intended to be the "scale" locomotive although the 333 with the diecast tender is also associated with these cars and other engines were used.  The 999 while OK for 1941 became problematic for 1942 as materials for the die cast engine were going towards the war effort so some sets switched to the sheet metal 397.

The first of these cars to emerge included the PFE refer, B&M flat car with load, LNE hopper, and Reading caboose.  Other box cars pictured here followed after the war, although their lithographed blt dates all say 1941 however the UP box and NY, NH& Hartford appear to have been produced in the post war period emerging in about 1948.  So here are some Marx "S" scale freights including my "new" PFE refr.

Here is the Marx SP PFE 3/16 " scale refrigerator car.  Note that despite the 3d visual effect the car is flat except for the doors.  The 3d effect is entirely due to the lithography.

Marx scale refr side view

Here is the data end of the car

Marx scale refr name end

The logo end of the car.

Marx scale refr logo end

Here are the Marx 3/16 scale box/refr cars with the 999 engine that was supposed to lead them.  You can judge for yourself how well the scales match, looks pretty good to me.

Marx 999 and scale box cars



Marx 999 and full train of scale boxcars

Well I hope your weekend is going OK.  Best wishes

Don

Don thanks for always sharing these vintage trains.

Well hello BxCrSun fans, I am going to start off with a couple of vintage Lionel 6464's.  Sitka I apologize for repeating your WP (feather) boxcar but I took my pictures last night so am sort of have to go with what I put on line...  So here are

a) the 6464-100 Western Pacific with the yellow feather from 1954-1955

b) the 6464-25 Great Northern from 1953-1954

Both pulled by my United States Air Force "BEEP"

Beep and Boxcars 1

As a slight change, here is a French National Railroad (SNCF) subsidiary STEF refrigerator car.  Different from the US in France from 1938 to 1988 refrigerator cars were operated by a subsidiary of the railroad and were consolidated under the logo "STEF" which means "Societe Francaise de Transport et Entrepots Frigorifiques" - and NO I cannot pronounce this but roughly translated it means the French organization for the operation of refrigerator cars.  This car is Hornby from about 1954

Hornby STEF Refr side view

Finally and I post this just for fun.  This is a tinplate HO scale "Dy-no-mite"  boxcar by the Spanish manufacturer TRENEX who produced a whole line of HO in the 1960's.  The company is still in existence but carries a different name.  I found this while on a vacation in Spain with my wife in the late 80's at a flea market set up in a small village we just happened to be driving through.

TRENEX HO tinplate train TNT boxcar

Well I hope you are having a good weekend and will have a great week.

Best wishes

Don

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York.......as a New York Central guy, I realized that none of my single door boxcars were Tuscan. I have a few that are double door. My entire fleet of single door NYC boxcars are either Jade Green or Pacemaker.

I looked for one at York....only one I spied was a Weaver, and, at a good price.

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It had never been out of the box!

Peter

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Well hello BxCrSun fans, I am going to start off with a couple of vintage Lionel 6464's.  Sitka I apologize for repeating your WP (feather) boxcar but I took my pictures last night so am sort of have to go with what I put on line...  So here are

a) the 6464-100 Western Pacific with the yellow feather from 1954-1955

b) the 6464-25 Great Northern from 1953-1954

Both pulled by my United States Air Force "BEEP"

Beep and Boxcars 1

As a slight change, here is a French National Railroad (SNCF) subsidiary STEF refrigerator car.  Different from the US in France from 1938 to 1988 refrigerator cars were operated by a subsidiary of the railroad and were consolidated under the logo "STEF" which means "Societe Francaise de Transport et Entrepots Frigorifiques" - and NO I cannot pronounce this but roughly translated it means the French organization for the operation of refrigerator cars.  This car is Hornby from about 1954

Hornby STEF Refr side view

Finally and I post this just for fun.  This is a tinplate HO scale "Dy-no-mite"  boxcar by the Spanish manufacturer TRENEX who produced a whole line of HO in the 1960's.  The company is still in existence but carries a different name.  I found this while on a vacation in Spain with my wife in the late 80's at a flea market set up in a small village we just happened to be driving through.

TRENEX HO tinplate train TNT boxcar

Well I hope you are having a good weekend and will have a great week.

Best wishes

Don

Mark @Sitka, you need that TNT car! @Don McErlean, good to see the "BEEP Vortex" is alive and well on your pike!

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