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I remember them stickers.

The Tweetsie is still a big deal around East TN but now it's mostly in reference to the Tweetsie Trail.  All the track was removed and it is now a very commonly used trail for the public. Has been very well received.

Still not like when the Real Tweetsie RR was here. Of course I'm prejudiced on making that remark.

By the way Lee  you started me thinking about that G scale ET & WNC Engine #12 (Green) you had way back . I actually found one and it's suppose to be in the mail headed this way.

Larry

I just bought a K-Line Golden State ABA Alco from a club member yesterday to go with my K-Line Golden State passenger cars. He surprised me with a email asking if I was interested in buying them. He brought it to the club and I ran them on the club layout. I'm going to run it at the club only because I don't run this train on my layout these days. I have other passenger trains for my layout.

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Went to the Maine Hi-Railers' show in Dover NH yesterday and picked up a few things, one of which is an Atlas 53' Plug door Boxcar that I already had and is now for sale here on OGR.  The other car was a Weaver 40' boxcar, Boston & Maine #3122 Railroad Express Agency.  Another great Weaver car with all the trimmings.

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DennyM posted:

I just bought a K-Line Golden State ABA Alco from a club member yesterday to go with my K-Line Golden State passenger cars. He surprised me with a email asking if I was interested in buying them. He brought it to the club and I ran them on the club layout. I'm going to run it at the club only because I don't run this train on my layout these days. I have other passenger trains for my layout.

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Denny,

The Golden State set looks great!! And I am not a fan of red; but these are quite handsome.  Interesting flat end of the observation car, that you don't see that often.  Once they enclosed them, it seems like most were boat tail of some sort or another,

I just got in another Oakwood  Corporation kit.  This was a shop in Lemont, Ill., south of Chicago. I visited it maybe twice, and then it was gone.  This is a false front eatery and gas station. THIS kit, unlike the other l found recently, has instructions. Anybody familiar with them, the shop, other kits they might have offered, or have or know if they had a brochure of their kits? I am always interested in unique O scale structure or rolling stock kits and builders.

 

Mark Boyce posted:
DennyM posted:

I just bought a K-Line Golden State ABA Alco from a club member yesterday to go with my K-Line Golden State passenger cars. He surprised me with a email asking if I was interested in buying them. He brought it to the club and I ran them on the club layout. I'm going to run it at the club only because I don't run this train on my layout these days. I have other passenger trains for my layout.

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Denny,

The Golden State set looks great!! And I am not a fan of red; but these are quite handsome.  Interesting flat end of the observation car, that you don't see that often.  Once they enclosed them, it seems like most were boat tail of some sort or another,

Thanks Mark,

I bought the passenger cars little by little from Trainz Auctions. I was having problems finding a matching engine and was going to sell them until one of the club members saw the passenger cars and told me he had the Golden State engines. I'm with you though. I'm not a big fan of read either, but I like it.

Jim R. posted:
daylight posted:
brwebster posted:

To compliment my Milwaukee Road F-7 (Weaver brass) I added this A class Atlantic.  The Overland model appears to be  1960's or 70's vintage, judging by the primitive drive train.  A future repaint will take a bit of skill and a pair of big ones.

 

Very nice. 

 

Bought a new Lionel version ( Atlantic) from ebay a few months ago along with matching 18" aluminum passenger cars.  However, they were rib sided as opposed to smooth sided with the beaver tail observation car that goes with the Atlantic.   The rib sided versions were made for the F7 Milwaukee Road Hudson which came along about 3 years later.

Has Rail Sounds 5 and smokes like a champ which surprised me.

Didn't know that anyone else made this engine in O gauge.

 

Incorrect. The rib-sided cars Lionel modeled in its 2006 release were based on the cars the Milwaukee Road began introducing in 1936, one year after unveiling the Hiawatha Atlantics. Those four locomotives pulled those cars until the Hudsons were introduced. Source: "The Hiawatha Story" by Jim Scribbins, the authoritative author on all things Milwaukee Road from the Hiawatha era to the 1970s.

Also, the Hiawatha Atlantic has been rendered four other times in O gauge: Lionel's 1937 release, Lionel's 1988 release, Weaver's 2003 release, and Lionel's 2006 release. I was unaware of this Overland model.

I have the same book.  Maybe my post was confusing. 

The smooth sided cars traveled behind the Atlantic and the rib sided, when produced, were made for the Hiawatha F7 Hudson.  It's quite possible that eventually either engine pulled both versions with the Beaver Tail observation car ( two different styles) bringing up the rear.

This has nothing to do with Lionel

The rib-sided cars preceded the Hudson by two years. Read Scribbins' text. The new cars were introduced in 1936 and 1937 to create a more lightweight train behind the Atlantics. The F7 Hudsons picked styling cues from those cars, not the other way around, in 1938.

I'm not sure what you mean the post has nothing to do with Lionel, since I was responding to a post that cited the accuracy of Lionel's Atlantic and matching 18-inch cars, which were in fact a prototypically correct set. 

After promising myself I wouldn't buy anything not related to actual layout construction I was weak. After about a month of admiring a goergous set of Lionel aluminum 18" California Zephyr passenger cars on the shelf at Berwyn Toy Trains I gave in to temptation!!

Of course Tom added to the temptation by giving me a deal to good to pass up... Now what do I pull them with???

Jim R. posted:

The rib-sided cars preceded the Hudson by two years. Read Scribbins' text. The new cars were introduced in 1936 and 1937 to create a more lightweight train behind the Atlantics. The F7 Hudsons picked styling cues from those cars, not the other way around, in 1938.

I'm not sure what you mean the post has nothing to do with Lionel, since I was responding to a post that cited the accuracy of Lionel's Atlantic and matching 18-inch cars, which were in fact a prototypically correct set. 

Jim, have to take one more shot at this.  The smooth side cars were made for the Atlantic and the Rib sided cars for the Hudson.

The rib sided cars made by LIONEL were correct for the Hudson and not the Atlantic.

 

I never really intended to comment on your Lionel post

I believe, from what I have read and researched that Jim is correct.  The 4-6-4's went into service in August of 1938.  The Milwaukee Road designed and built the new 1937 Hiawatha in October of 1936 which included a baggage car, the Tip Top Tap, four coaches, a diner, 3 parlor cars and the Otto Kuhler designed beaver tail observation.  These,per my research actually ran behind the Atlantics until August of 1938 when the Otto Kuhler designed F7 4-6-4's went into revenue service.  So, the ribbed sided cars could have been hauled by 4-4-2's for at least a year or so between early 1937 and August of 1938.  But in reality, they are toy trains and we are supposed to run them because we like to have fun doing it.  I blasphemed my Hiawatha cars by pulling them behind my 3rd Rail LNER Flying Scotsman to see how many cars it could pull......................  

daylight posted:
Jim R. posted:

The rib-sided cars preceded the Hudson by two years. Read Scribbins' text. The new cars were introduced in 1936 and 1937 to create a more lightweight train behind the Atlantics. The F7 Hudsons picked styling cues from those cars, not the other way around, in 1938.

I'm not sure what you mean the post has nothing to do with Lionel, since I was responding to a post that cited the accuracy of Lionel's Atlantic and matching 18-inch cars, which were in fact a prototypically correct set. 

Jim, have to take one more shot at this.  The smooth side cars were made for the Atlantic and the Rib sided cars for the Hudson.

The rib sided cars made by LIONEL were correct for the Hudson and not the Atlantic.

 

I never really intended to comment on your Lionel post

I'll try one more time to try to undo your erroneous stubbornness.

From "A Hiawatha Story" by Jim Scribbins, beginning with the chapter marked "Ribbed Cars and 4-6-4's" on page 40 of the original Kalmbach book (copyright 1970):

"New equipment for the Hiawatha was exhibited at Chicago, Milwaukee, scheduled intermediate stops, and the Twin Cities October 5-10, 1936, and entered regular service on the 11th -- a totally new train (except for the motive power) after only 16 months of service. Opportunely, the number plates on the A's were such that the Two-Spot could be used advantageously to illustrate material pertaining to the consist of the second Hi.

"The Hiawatha of 1937 incorporated several notable improvements. Cor-Ten steel and aluminum alloys were employed to further reduce weight so that the cars weighed 41 to 43 percent less than the standard equipment, and the new nine-car train weighed but 27 tons more than the seven-car train of 1935 ...

"For the first time the trademark of fluting, or ribbing, appeared on the car sides above and below the windows, which were squared off in contrast to the convex-style windows of the first train."

On pages 46-47, the cars are pictured in a photo sequence from October 18, 1940, being pulled by Hiawatha Class A Atlantic no. 3.

From page 43:

"In February 1938, CMStP&P announced plans to acquire 55 passenger cars and 6 new locomotive's (by this time No. 4, which turned out to be the last of the Atlantics, had been strutting its stuff for approximately 10 months), primarily for Hiawatha Service.

"Meanwhile, back at the shops and at Schenectady, the assembly lines had been busy. For three days the third set of equipment, accompanied by a brand-new F-7 Hudson, was exhibited in Chicago, Milwaukee and the Twin Cities, with a brief showing at intermediate stops, and on September 19, 1938, the Hiawatha of 1939 entered service. The 1936 replacement of the first train had been unprecedented in rail history; this was even more astounding."

So, in summary: the Atlantics were introduced in May 1935 pulling the original smooth side cars, which were replaced beginning in 1936 by the rid sided cars. The Hudsons were not even designed at that point, but were introduced in 1938. The Atlantics continued to be used in Hiawatha service for a time as well as the Hudsons.

Now show me some authoritative text that says otherwise.

As I said before, you are correct, Jim.  It even says that the ribbed or fluted cars were designed in 1936 for the 1937 Hiawatha in Wikipedia.  As indicated, the F7 didn't hit the rails until August of 1938.  I attached a photo to my last post about this that I pasted a photo I found into a word document showing an A class Atlantic with a ribbed baggage car clearly shown behind the tender.  So, there is photographic proof, (don't know when the picture was taken, but certainly while A's were in revenue service) of an A pulling a ribbed baggage car at a minimum.   I looked at my set of Hiawatha cars from 2006 by Lionel and while the are sort of correct, one of the numbers on one of the coaches is 485 which was not built until 1947.  Run trains, have fun.....happy Easter.  Life is too short to worry about trivia.

Since my reference on things Hiawatha is restricted to a rather in depth look at the 2 steam locos, this topic has been informative to me.  While the SP Daylight might hold the distinction of being the most beautiful train, I've always felt the Hiawatha was a strong contender.  So, when decent scale examples in O have become available, I've splurged.

The A is quite the remarkable engine for it's time.  There's something fascinating about the resurrection of an Atlantic wheel configuration to suit the job at hand.  Had there been no increase in Hiawatha train size and weight, the F7 might not have been necessary.  They both propelled their charges to equally quick schedules, but the initial light weight idea became blurred by the time the F7's took over.  Not surprisingly, in secondary service, as the fleet aged, the 4, A's were found to be reliable performers. The success of the Hiawatha often translated into running second sections, whether behind the A or the F7.  

My Weaver F7 came with the matching 5 car set, with ribs.  Found the engine DOA so I tossed the TAS stuff for new ERR.

Bruce

 

 

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Today I picked up a lovely piece of N&W Passenger cars. The Powhatan Arrow 7 car set from Lionel made in 1995. It includes a baggage car, combo car, two passenger cars, a diner car, a duplex roomette car, and the observation car which I believe was sold to Saudi Arabia. Somebody tell me why was the observation car(s) sold to Saudi Arabia and what became of it. 

Anyway nice photos of the cars:

Top to Bottom: 6-19141 Diner Car, 6-19140 Combo Car, 6-19139 Baggage Car

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Top to Bottom: 6-19144 Observation Car, 6-19143 Passenger Car, 6-19142 Passenger Car

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finally, the 6-19151 Duplex Roomette Car:

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And the locomotive that is going to be pulling the train will be the Lionel 6-38095 N&W J 611 that I haven't got yet but will someday! Hopefully Christmas  

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Jim R. posted:

Thanks for that, Tinplate Tom. I had to go to quite a bit of effort to make my point to correct an erroneous post in which the writer subsequently ignored my first summary. 

The A class Atlantics as you know, were in service from 1935 until they were withdrawn from service between 1949 and 1951.  Since there were numerous types of fluted and smooth side Milwaukee cars in service, the odds of a Hiawatha running with an A class and either smooth sided or fluted or ribbed (there were in fact two different types of flutes or ribs) or any combination in the post war period from 1945-1950 are good since these were not articulated permanently coupled cars.  #3 in the photo I posted was actually withdrawn from service in '49 to use as spares to keep the remaining A class locomotives in revenue service until '51.   I have always been impressed with their performance as they were probably the mos powerful Atlantics built anywhere on the planet with their 19 inch cylinders, 300 pound boilers and 84 inch drivers.  It is amazing that in the 1930's Milwaukee Road managed to run trains at speeds approaching 100 MPH but today Amtrack passenger trains in that area average 49 MPH.   Progress?  

Hi All

Here I am again. I found a G scale East Tennessee Western North Carolina Green Engine  and Tender # 12 Brand new and even with the shipper. Been waiting for this thing coming from Utah??? Seems like it took for ever.

I think I'm naming it P-51. lol He started me thinking and hunting about engine #12.

It is a beautiful match to my Black Engine # 11 I just received a couple weeks ago.

I'm really getting into these Tennessee G scale trains

 

Larry

 

 

 

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brwebster posted:

Since my reference on things Hiawatha is restricted to a rather in depth look at the 2 steam locos, this topic has been informative to me.  While the SP Daylight might hold the distinction of being the most beautiful train, I've always felt the Hiawatha was a strong contender.  So, when decent scale examples in O have become available, I've splurged.

The A is quite the remarkable engine for it's time.  There's something fascinating about the resurrection of an Atlantic wheel configuration to suit the job at hand.  Had there been no increase in Hiawatha train size and weight, the F7 might not have been necessary.  They both propelled their charges to equally quick schedules, but the initial light weight idea became blurred by the time the F7's took over.  Not surprisingly, in secondary service, as the fleet aged, the 4, A's were found to be reliable performers. The success of the Hiawatha often translated into running second sections, whether behind the A or the F7.  

My Weaver F7 came with the matching 5 car set, with ribs.  Found the engine DOA so I tossed the TAS stuff for new ERR.

Bruce

 

 

I'd like to find one of these in like-new condition to add to the CL&W roster!!

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