Just picked up my first Flyer H0 loco. Nice 0-6-0, runs and smokes nice. The coupler is different than other non Kadee couplers I’ve seen. We’re these unique to Flyer?
Steve
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"HONGZ" stands for HO scale, N scale, G scale, and Z scale.
Post your non-O scale stuff here!
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This is H “O” scale, not H ZERO scale.
It's hard to tell on the video. Apparently Gilbert had their own coupler in 1948/49 that looked like a sideways latch coupler before switching to the NMRA X2F.
@Rusty Traque posted:It's hard to tell on the video. Apparently Gilbert had their own coupler in 1948/49 that looked like a sideways latch coupler before switching to the NMRA X2F.
That’s what this looks like. A bit bigger and the hook part is reversed.
Steve
@Rich Melvin posted:This is H “O” scale, not H ZERO scale.
In other parts of the world it is in fact H0 (zero). AFAIK it derived from 0 gauge as in 2, 1, and 0 gauge in prewar Germany.
“HO” stands for HALF THE SIZE OF O SCALE! I have NEVER seen the number zero used in the expression “HO Scale.”
@Rich Melvin posted:“HO” stands for HALF THE SIZE OF O SCALE! I have NEVER seen the number zero used in the expression “HO Scale.”
You may have never seen it... but your mistaken about it's origin.
@Rusty Traque posted:It's hard to tell on the video. Apparently Gilbert had their own coupler in 1948/49 that looked like a sideways latch coupler before switching to the NMRA X2F.
It appears they tried several different couplers , the first being a Varney (Marlin) , then the sideways hook and horn coupler" I have the 31004, (late 50's early 60's) and it came with the hook and horn.
@rplst8 posted:You may have never seen it... but your mistaken about it's origin.
From the Wikipedia post you linked to: "...After the First World War there were several attempts to introduce a model railway about half the size of 0 scale that would be more suitable for smaller home layouts and cheaper to manufacture...HO is the most popular model railroad scale in both continental Europe and North America..."
I understand that the intent was to make a scale that was "...'half nought gauge'..." but the term "H naught" or "H zero" never caught on. The term used than and now is HO, not H Zero.
To make matters more complex, half O is actually half European #0 gauge which explains the 1:87 proportion with #1 gauge being their equivalent of standard gauge. 
On a more serious note, this was a great locomotive by Gilbert. One of two steam locomotives in the HO catalog with the Hudson being the other. As to couplers, I don't have anything much to add to Rusty's comments. I know from my Grandfather's collection of early postwar HO, a lot of his equipment had the latch and hook system that was found on Mantua. Varney started with something similar before going to their close to scale cast dummy couplers.
I have the B6. I got my dad the Hudson. Both nice and rare in that they are the only vintage HO mass produced locomotives that I am aware of that smoked. A little awkward that the motor sticks out a little far, but still a cool locomotive. Mine is obviously a late one.
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Found this wonderful resource on Gilbert HO.
@GG1 4877 posted:To make matters more complex, half O is actually half European #0 gauge which explains the 1:87 proportion with #1 gauge being their equivalent of standard gauge.
On a more serious note, this was a great locomotive by Gilbert. One of two steam locomotives in the HO catalog with the Hudson being the other. As to couplers, I don't have anything much to add to Rusty's comments. I know from my Grandfather's collection of early postwar HO, a lot of his equipment had the latch and hook system that was found on Mantua. Varney started with something similar before going to their close to scale cast dummy couplers.
I have the B6. I got my dad the Hudson. Both nice and rare in that they are the only vintage HO mass produced locomotives that I am aware of that smoked. A little awkward that the motor sticks out a little far, but still a cool locomotive. Mine is obviously a late one.
The Marx 6096 was also a nice smoker.
Steve
@GG1 4877 posted:Found this wonderful resource on Gilbert HO.
Thanks, I had just found that one yesterday.
Steve
Back to the original subject, thanks for all the info. Has anyone converted these to the later NMRA type couplers and how did you do it. Couplers and trucks are riveted on.
Steve
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