How to build lashup with two Legacy Steam Engines with Cab II?

Press the "TR" button and pick and ID, it will ask you to build the consist then just add the loco ID one at a time and choose the direction

Yep, The CAB 2 is actually easier to use with the icons shown....

So this leads me to another question ( sorry for hijacking the thread). I have a few locomotives that the direction is wrong because they were change in a lash up at some point in time. How do I reset or change the direction again? Do I have to put them in program mode to change their direction? Thanks in advance.

Wow, is that easy?

So, I program each engine with unique ID #.

Have each engine addressed on powered track

Press "TR" and choose ID # for front and rear engine.

Once my brother brings his Berk over we'll give it a try!

If you have issues, a search on these forums should find you the detailed step by step instructions I did for a MU.

@JDaddy, if the directions get out of your MU, push the info button, make sure the train icons on the screen are the correct direction then push the set soft key and it'll reprogram them all.  The program slider is only for setting ID.  Just remember, if you are running the MU, then select a locomotive in the MU with the ENG key, it'll go back to the last state it was in when run independently, which can mess up the MU.

Got it, -so if the units are new to my layout and I never had a MU or TR assigned. Do I have to build a new MU or TR lashup, then correct the direction?

If the locomotives have never been on your layout, you will need to add them to your remote (It's Legacy, so really add them to the base, but using the remote to do so.) so that your Legacy base knows that they are Legacy, and what kind of locomotive they are.  This does not require the locomotives to be on the track if they were previously given a none factory ID somewhere else.  Then when you build the MU, you can set the direction as you build it.

Maybe I'll make a video and post it on YouTube if requested.  I bet there may be a couple already if searched for.

Paul Kallus posted:

I cannot find my Legacy instruction manual.

Here's the link to the current manual. 

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...CYv15Manual31513.pdf

Lash-ups are pages 60/61

sinclair posted:

If the locomotives have never been on your layout, you will need to add them to your remote (It's Legacy, so really add them to the base, but using the remote to do so.) so that your Legacy base knows that they are Legacy, and what kind of locomotive they are.  This does not require the locomotives to be on the track if they were previously given a none factory ID somewhere else.  Then when you build the MU, you can set the direction as you build it.

Maybe I'll make a video and post it on YouTube if requested.  I bet there may be a couple already if searched for.

That would be great. Thanks for clarifying. Too bad you cannot fix the direction default with a reset or new program without building an MU / TR build up.

The TR build up throws me only because I don't do them but once in a blue moon.

What do you mean by direction default?  As in in a MU, or when running them with the ENG button?  If with the ENG button, they will always start in forward.  Only in a MU can they start backwards, but you have to set up the MU for them to know that. 

But I have run into a problem, my Cab2 now has a stuck AUX1 button, so we'll see if it'll work again after sitting so I can make a video.  Guess now is as good a time as any to but a 2nd remote, sigh.

I just read the manual (from link posted above) on lashups and had to shake my head in confusion. I guess I have to do this myself at some point - once the layout has mainlines re-connected, hopefully soon.

If you have the locos address already programmed in the remote all you have to do is build the "lash up" or consist. It is actually insanly easy to do. Push the TR button next to the ENG button and pick a number 1 thru 99. if it isnt already a "lash up" in the remote it will prompt you to build the "lash up". You start by adding the lead engines ID and picking a direction then add the next ID and pick a direction and so on. Then you name it and save it. your all done. Once they are in a "lash up" you will have to delete the "lash up" when you split them up otherwise your directions are wrong and your horns and things dont work. If you find yourself in this situation, do a factory reset to get the "lash up" reservation out of the engine

Matt Makens posted:

Once they are in a "lash up" you will have to delete the "lash up" when you split them up otherwise your directions are wrong and your horns and things dont work. If you find yourself in this situation, do a factory reset to get the "lash up" reservation out of the engine

This is news to me and off the top of my head I can't recall seeing it in any Legacy manual I have used, including the one linked to above. But if it's the default position once you put an engine in a lash up that's really vital to know. 

However, I can't say that I've encountered the problem of direction and operating features going wrong once I start operating an engine independently of a lash up it's been placed in. I've just assumed from this experience and the fact that you can still address an engine individually even if it's in a lash up that it will work correctly when you run it by itself. 

Thinking back, any engine I have put at the back of a lash up was meant to be a rear-facing engine anyway (as in an A-A or A-B-A diesel setup). But I have not noticed engines put in the middle of a lash up failing to sound or light correctly once run independently of it. If they do, at least now I know a cause and solution I guess.

Yes, that is probably the biggest head scratcher. When you purchase a locomotive (used) and out of the box the default direction is wrong. Should be an easier way to over ride the direction setting without building a TR lash-up.

You do a factory reset. The lead loco will always run fine but the trailing locos will be weird. Build a "lashup" and try it. the trailing loco will have its horn shut off and the direction will be backwards

If you select ENG then then the ID, it'll operate as normal, even if it's still in a train.  I do this all the time, to blow the whistle of the non-lead locomotive, and to run them separately when I'm done with the train, but want to keep it in the remote to use later.  The manual even says that a locomotive can be in more than one train.  The switchers are the only one, that I know of, that retain any setting between TR and ENG, and that's it being set to road engine speeds.

Now that I have a 2nd Cab-2, I'll try to make a video of the train building process.

Okay, here is a rough video for building a Legacy train.  No where as good as Eric's video, but it works.  It's been a long while since I've done video.

If the video doesn't load, here is a link to it.

Thank you for the video. Some notes that where causing me grief:

1) I  was plagued with an older software version of Legacy 1.4- now I am up to date (1.6). I only had 10 TR numbers too.

2) My Covered wagons were all the same number A-B-A I had run ALL as  1 number. Had to do this because I am running out of numbers. yes I have more than 98 trains on my layout only because of other friends engines that visit once a month. But it will be easy to max out 98 spots  when you have 7 sets or more of A-B-B-A 's very quickly. So I had to break them into separate numbers, assign a lash up (TR), then fix the directions on the associated Dummy B and A units, then assign them all back to one number...

3) One question that I guess will be new in this software, is when I have a TMCC engine in a lash-up TR number, I could not park it backwards, assigned in a train, then just pull away from the rear of the train with the direction being correct. The direction would have been permanently changed by the programming of it in the new lash up. Looks like this is different with new legacy engines?

I haven't done this with TMCC locomotives, I'll have to try that.

I appreciate the video, Sinclair.

Someone above mentioned Legacy version - I have 1.3 - do I need to upgrade this first? And, if so, what's the easiest way? I only have a work computer and am not permitted to use 3rd party software so hopefully there's another way to upgrade.

I'm running 1.52, but I learned by reading the 1.2 manual, so my instructions should work for any version.

Paul Kallus posted:

I appreciate the video, Sinclair.

Someone above mentioned Legacy version - I have 1.3 - do I need to upgrade this first? And, if so, what's the easiest way? I only have a work computer and am not permitted to use 3rd party software so hopefully there's another way to upgrade.

You can borrow modules from someone or have them made for you. I believe Lionel will send them for a charge also. 

But lashups can be built using 1.3, right?

I'll contact Lionel and see how to go about upgrading to latest version, but it might take a while to get it done.

Paul Kallus posted:

But lashups can be built using 1.3, right?

I'll contact Lionel and see how to go about upgrading to latest version, but it might take a while to get it done.

You can build a lashup with 1.3, however you may have only 10 TR numbers. You will have to constantly write over them.  Also, you may not have the icons for different sound cars either. Otherwise it will work.

I still am trying to find out what 1.4 - to 1.6 gave me... One big improvement was the longer range from base to remote.

J Daddy posted:

I still am trying to find out what 1.4 - to 1.6 gave me... One big improvement was the longer range from base to remote.

How would a software update affect a hardware trait?  Range is effected by the transmitter, receiver, and environment.  That is unless they are controlling the transmitting power by software, then they can up the output power with software, but at the cost of batteries.

sinclair posted:

J Daddy posted:

I still am trying to find out what 1.4 - to 1.6 gave me... One big improvement was the longer range from base to remote.

How would a software update affect a hardware trait?  Range is effected by the transmitter, receiver, and environment.  That is unless they are controlling the transmitting power by software, then they can up the output power with software, but at the cost of batteries.

You got me on the incidentals. All I know is the remote may flash the red light to signify loss of signal, however very rarely, and when it does I do not have to turn the remote on/off to find it again.

The range has tripled, and I have not done any wiring improvements, only loading the software during my Detroit 3 Railers open house.

My red light is always flashing it seems, and I'm like 3 foot from the base.  Maybe I should try updating mine.  It could be they changed the programming that flashes the light so it flashes less now too.

sinclair posted:

My red light is always flashing it seems, and I'm like 3 foot from the base.  Maybe I should try updating mine.  It could be they changed the programming that flashes the light so it flashes less now too.

not likely.

sinclair posted:

My red light is always flashing it seems, and I'm like 3 foot from the base.  Maybe I should try updating mine.  It could be they changed the programming that flashes the light so it flashes less now too.

Yes. I can run  trains from upstairs now...not that I would, but no flashing red light from the basement to the kitchen! Helps when you need another cold one and you need the E-stop to go with you.