What's this all about? Did I do something wrong? It might help to know I've been a member here for years and I didn't just ask to join.
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It's a technical glitch we are working on and it is not accurate. It was a duplicate application that was generated by an errant script. There were over 300 like this that Alan is working on to fix.
The fact that you can still post means your OGR Forum membership is still intact. 
I knew that Rich, but it was amusing to get that! 
Initially I was a bit taken back, but then I opened up the forum and was amazingly still a member. 
Computers. Can't wait for June 24th.
@aussteve posted:Computers. Can't wait for June 24th.
What's supposed to happen on June 24th?
@Allegheny posted:What's supposed to happen on June 24th?
System maintenance. The site will be down for some of the day.
@Tom M posted:System maintenance. The site will be down for some of the day.
Thank you very much, I completely forgot all about it!
@Tom M posted:System maintenance. The site will be down for some of the day.
Ironically Windows 11 will be announced too.
I still use Windows 7 Pro on my two PCs, and I'm not about to "update" to anything else. The old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." comes into play here.
I have one laptop PC that runs Windows 10, and it is a royal PITA. I can only imagine how much "better" Windows 11 will be. 
I have a windows 7 machine too and it is slowly being obsoleted by other software that needs "something" it does not have for updates.... . It is a conspiracy!
Good! John's been nothing but a troublemaker here since he joined.
@Rich Melvin posted:I have one laptop PC that runs Windows 10, and it is a royal PITA. I can only imagine how much "better" Windows 11 will be.
My grandson came and asked me if I wanted to try the leaked Windows 11. He seemed genuinely shocked with my response!
I've actually "made my peace" with Windows 10, though for each "Feature Upgrade" they seem to move more and more stuff "out of sight". It seems that all products are being "dumbed down" to the lowest common denominator. The problem is, I run across some really LOW common denominators, I sure hope they're not trying to cater to them! 
@CNJ Jim posted:Good! John's been nothing but a troublemaker here since he joined.
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@gunrunnerjohn posted:My grandson came and asked me if I wanted to try the leaked Windows 11. He seemed genuinely shocked with my response!
I've actually "made my peace" with Windows 10, though for each "Feature Upgrade" they seem to move more and more stuff "out of sight". It seems that all products are being "dumbed down" to the lowest common denominator. The problem is, I run across some really LOW common denominators, I sure hope they're not trying to cater to them!
Best emote ever forwarded it to my dog. j
I would be wary if you’re still running Windows 7. While, “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” is usually good advice, in the computer security world it doesn’t hold water. Since Windows 7 is an end-of-life product, Microsoft is no longer issuing security updates.
Not only are there already unpatched vulnerabilities, more exploits will likely be found as time passes.
@aussteve posted:Computers. Can't wait for June 24th.
I should apologize for being disrespectful towards computers. I'm still running XP service pack 2 on my Dell 690. It's like the Energizer bunny, it just keeps running.
I'm sure there will be no problems with the upgrade on the 24th or with the release of Windows 11.
@rplst8 posted:I would be wary if you’re still running Windows 7. While, “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” is usually good advice, in the computer security world it doesn’t hold water. Since Windows 7 is an end-of-life product, Microsoft is no longer issuing security updates.
I could care less if Microsoft no longer supports Windows 7. I didn't use their "support" when they offered it.
When I built the two PCs that I have, the current version of Windows 7 Professional at the time (early 2010, as I recall) included Service Pack 1. That's exactly what's on these two machines today - Windows 7 Professional, Service Pack 1. They have never been updated beyond that original installation, and here's why.
In my work here at OGR, I prepared literally every image that appeared in OGR magazine from around 2005 through my retirement in 2018. I worked in Adobe Photoshop literally every day, and prepared tens of thousands of images for print. In doing that work in Photoshop, I developed a certain "rhythm" in the work. I knew, for example, how long it would take Photoshop to change an 8 x 10, 300 dpi image from RGB to CMYK color mode when I pressed the F2 key. (I had set up the F2 key to perform that color conversion action.)
At that time I had Windows 7 set to alert me when updates were available, but not to install them automatically. After I had been using the machine for a couple of months, Windows alerted me that several updates were due. I decided to let Windows go ahead and run the updates.
After the updates had run and the machine had rebooted, I went back to work in Photoshop. I immediately noticed that the machine was slower; everything took just slightly longer to happen. It was one extra "beat" so to speak, in the time it took the computer to do something to an image. On a hunch, I uninstalled all the updates that had just been installed. Presto, everything was back to normal!
After that experience, and with a little research about Windows updates on the net, I am absolutely convinced that Microsoft's "updates" have within them a little bit of code that purposely slows the machine down a tiny bit. It's not much, and a typical light-duty user might not notice it, until a lot of updates have run over a year or two. When they finally do notice that their computer is running slower, what's the fix? Why...buy a new computer, of course! And another copy of Windows is sold.
I built the two PCs that I use (a personal machine and this OGR machine) eleven years ago! In that time I've replaced hard drives with SSDs, added more RAM, and put in better video cards, but I never updated Windows. Some of you may think I'm nuts for running an un-patched, un-updated version of Windows 7, but I have never had any security issues with either machine. And both of the machines work just like they did the first day I used them. How is that possible, you ask?
- I use Mozilla Thunderbird for my email client.
- I have Thunderbird set so it will not display an image in an email unless I let it.
- Thunderbird has an excellent junk mail filter that learns over time, as I tell it what emails are junk. After several years of "training", almost all the junk mail I get goes directly to the trash. I never see it, and certainly don't open it!
- I don't open email attachments from people I don't know, or that I'm not expecting.
- I don't visit suspicious web sites.
- I use the Firefox and Brave browsers, and have them both set to pretty tight security.
- I use Dashlane to securely manage my passwords.
In my opinion, all the security fear mongering from Microsoft and others is vastly overblown.
@Rich Melvin posted:I still use Windows 7 Pro on my two PCs, and I'm not about to "update" to anything else. The old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." comes into play here.
I have one laptop PC that runs Windows 10, and it is a royal PITA. I can only imagine how much "better" Windows 11 will be.
A friend said it seemed to them Windows 8 and then 10 were bad attempts to have you run cell phone software on your computer. Windows 7 is a gem for intuitive operation. Didn't 8 need an immediate update due to outrage?
Excellent post Rich! The one exception is the intentional slowing down... it's the additional garbage meant to 'help' the user (or, themselves)... i.e., data retrieval and the number of processes that are running in the background. Of course one does not have to look back very far back to see the incredible increase of resources required (memory/CPU) and, chewed up by the various browsers out there. The onslaught of tracking via-vis search engines certainly doesn't seem to have much (if any) benefit to the end user.
We have many orders of magnitude faster PC ram and blazing fast solid state hard-drives, all being choked down by background data collection by the Big M. Then you connect to the internet and all of the tracking software and adware jumps on top. Linux is an option, much more plug and play than before, but may still require manual intervention.
Don't get me started on "smart" phones. Not many have noticed the "we have 5G" seems to have started before any one ever got close to 4G, remember 4G-LTE. 4G LITE, I bet they stole that from the beer marketers. 
Windows 7 is great and Windows 10 is fine. Windows Vista and 8 were the worst of the culprits in terms of merging a mobility OS into a desktop one. The reason Windows's PC's tend to slow down is because Windows does an inept job of cleaning up after itself (temp and update files) and the self management of its convoluted registry hive.
My daily machine is a 2017 - 27" iMac and I wouldn't trade it for the anything. I have another 27" iMac from 2009 (11 years old) still turns on and still work fine. (never had a reinstall done on it)
This post wasn't meant to debate the two, as a Network Admin I support both and a bit of Linux as well.
As a programmer for over 32 years, I can say:
If a piece of technology is not making your life easier, it is worthless. (or even worse, detrimental)
Wow look what I started. I'm guessing we'll see OGR Moderator here soon to clean up my mess. LOL!
I think this thread is about to get rejected, I hope I can disconnect so I don't go with it!
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I think this thread is about to get rejected, I hope I can disconnect so I don't go with it!
The one thing better than complaining about Trains is complaining about computers!
No issues to report at this time. I am on a 27 inch iMac 2017 • Version, macOS Big Sur 11.4 • Run both Google Chrome and Safari • All is well with the OGR Forum.
Gary
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To err is human, to really (foul) things up, you need a computer.
Mitch
(who has his 2010 cheese grater Mac Pro beaten into shape, and who has zero intention of upgrading)
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I think this thread is about to get rejected, I hope I can disconnect so I don't go with it!
LOL! Yes, I guess I did hijack the thread, didn't I?
I'll stop now and let all you "rejects" get the thread back on the proper subject.
@trainroomgary posted:No issues to report at this time. I am on a 27 inch iMac 2017 • Version, macOS Big Sur 11.4 • Run both Google Chrome and Safari • All is well with the OGR Forum.
One 27 monitor wasn't enough for me. I need two and a 24" extra.
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@Rich Melvin posted:LOL! Yes, I guess I did hijack the thread, didn't I?
I'll stop now and let all you "rejects" get the thread back on the proper subject.
All in good fun Rich.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:One 27 monitor wasn't enough for me.
I go for the panoramic effect, myself...
Mitch
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For years, I have been waiting for GRJ's membership to be declined, and when it finally happens, it turns out to be a mistake. A guy just can't get a break.
We need guys like GRJ and Alex M on the forum as they are always helpful with useful information.
Erol
@locolawyer posted:For years, I have been waiting for GRJ's membership to be declined, and when it finally happens, it turns out to be a mistake. A guy just can't get a break.
Help, I'm being slandered! I think the wrong guy got rejected!
Two can play this game Erol.
GRJ,
I will buy you lunch in the future (does Basta Pasta work) ?and a beer at York in October. Do you still feel rejected?
Erol
@locolawyer posted:GRJ,
I will buy you lunch in the future (does Basta Pasta work) ?and a beer at York in October. Do you still feel rejected?
Erol
Maybe a little less.
Can I close this thread now?
My sides hurt from laughing...
Welcome to the club. If you been married you have been rejected.
John 
I got rejected as well and couldn't figure it out. Allen fixed it. It was a while back.
Oh my, like others my train room is going to stay on the current windows.
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@Rich Melvin posted:LOL! Yes, I guess I did hijack the thread, didn't I?
I'll stop now and let all you "rejects" get the thread back on the proper subject.
Did someone call??? 
@Rich Melvin posted:Can I close this thread now?
My sides hurt from laughing...
Yep, I think it's time Rich.
