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Of course it's the Engineers fault, or actually the "Conductor" as the stupid media generally reports it! I mean, he had two obvious choices, didn't he?
1) Swerve out of the way!
2) Stop prior to the collision!
At least THOSE are the choices the media seem to think would work. Don't you just love the headlines on TV or in the newspapers; "Amtrak train KILLS teenagers!". WHAT? Where the kids just driving down the side street and the "fast moving Amtrak Train" swerved over and got 'em????
I did not see any evidence of stupidity in the reporting of this incident. Now, as for the driver of the car, that's another story.
"Amtrak train kills teenagers" sounds like a statement of the facts. It does not say anything about who was at fault one way or the other.
Of course it's the Engineers fault, or actually the "Conductor" as the stupid media generally reports it! I mean, he had two obvious choices, didn't he?
1) Swerve out of the way!
2) Stop prior to the collision!
At least THOSE are the choices the media seem to think would work. Don't you just love the headlines on TV or in the newspapers; "Amtrak train KILLS teenagers!". WHAT? Where the kids just driving down the side street and the "fast moving Amtrak Train" swerved over and got 'em????
It's a well known fact that Amtrak trains will stalk teenagers and will run over them anytime, anywhere!
Rusty
"Amtrak train kills teenagers" sounds like a statement of the facts. It does not say anything about who was at fault one way or the other.
Who was at fault???? You ARE kidding, right? What were the "teenagers", "elderly couple", "truck driver", etc., etc., etc., DOING ON THE ****ED TRACKS in the first place?????
I think the train left the scene of the accident.
Good one, Joe! And so did the car..and in a hurry!
Ed Mullan
hello guys and gals.........
NO !!!!!!!!! its the fault of the driver of the car as the car has NO business being on the tracks and beside that the train take about a mile to stop so the engineer has no control in trying to stop the train sooner. I have seen too many YOUTUBE videos of drivers stopping, stalling, even parking on the tracks or worse stopping on middle of the tracks waiting for the signal light to turn green how dumb is that !!!!!!!!!
the woman who loves toy trains
Tiffany
Absolutely not, the car driver should have to pay 100% of all damages.
Had the car been broadsided, it would be the driver of the cars fault, but seeing how it was rearended and going in the same direction of the train, it would be the trains fault for traveling at an unsafe speed for local traffic conditions.
Bruce
P.S. It's hard to push your car when it's in park.
Now I consider myself a pretty good driver for an almost 20 year old (no accidents, no pull overs, no tickets) but the thing I just can't comprehend is HOW you drive ON to train tracks...? Just boggles my mind.
According to coverage on the ABC national/network news this evening, the two women, at about 4AM, made an "incorrect" right hand turn ONTO THE RAILROAD TRACKS! The video shown in TV plainly shows that the idiot driver turned right ONTO THE TRACKS, instead of onto the street, which was about 15 to 20 feet further, past the crossing gate equipment. The gates had not yet been activated, but a witness driving by and seeing the car ON THE TRACKS, stopped to help. Then a garbage truck came by and he also stopped to help. Surprisingly, when the flashing lights & bells went off and the gates started coming down, one of the women WENT BACK TO THE CAR!
Although no mention was made in the ABC report, do you think that alcohol may have been a factor? Especially at 4AM!
I still think that the Engineer should have swerved out of the way!
If you listen to the report that is posted at the top, alcohol was not a factor. My thought is that a wheel or two fell into the space between the rail and the road, and they got hung up.
No....she made a right turn too soon, and wound up on the tracks. My thought of alcohol being a factor did come into play, but apparently she had not been drinking. Probably texting, or talking on the cell phone, but that's just speculation on my part....LOL.
"Amtrak train kills teenagers" sounds like a statement of the facts. It does not say anything about who was at fault one way or the other.
Who was at fault???? You ARE kidding, right? What were the "teenagers", "elderly couple", "truck driver", etc., etc., etc., DOING ON THE ****ED TRACKS in the first place?????
Hot Water, I think that you are misreading PGentieu's post. There is no insinuation at all that the engineer might be at fault. "Amtrak train kills teenagers" would be a statement of fact if an Amtrak train did run over and kill teenagers. Fault would be found in a different statement of facts, maybe "after they were parked on the tracks"
Jim
I can see this going both ways. However, blame will come with investagation.
But I see HW's concern about this as a "headline". Press /media can present an item so the business is (always) wrong, no mater what!
Also, "Amtrak" implies there were passenger and crew onboard. Stop too fast, and those could be really hurt or killed!
The report I heard was that occurred at around 4am, the woman didn't want to leave the car, and that drug and alcohol were probable a factor.
Scott
P.S. It's hard to push your car when it's in park.
That CSX locomotive didn't seem to have any trouble pushing that car.
Doug
Not the engineer but the 'brain surgeon' that drove the car on the tracks!
It's those dang rubber tires. They should sue the tire manufacturer for making those things out of rubber. If the car had steel wheels it would have shunted the tracks and alerted the train that there was an obstruction ahead.
GPS was at fault for saying "Turn Right, now." So you know any fence, creek, pond, canal, or railroad track, not a road, will do.
Dennis
GPS was at fault for saying "Turn Right, now."
RECALCULATING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZXM_g3mqew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5pDHVVFzc&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFhM945dXok&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DU5LKoC1A8&feature=endscreen&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=jSvutOU0mRQ
Follow up news report:
The incident escalated from an accident scene to crime scene when it was discovered the locomotive had fled the area with evidence. Fortunately, law enforcement were able to follow tracks leading from the scene, and the locomotive has been apprehended.
I need to stop by the Real Trains sections more often!