Lionel 2021 Volume 2 release date set

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Ah. So what happened with the METCA stuff? Did they make replacements for the letter?

Did Lionel do a press release or anything about making new couplers? Last I heard was zilch.

Lionel offered roof-hatch boxcars in the 2020 V2 catalog. The original delivery date was February 2021, then it got pushed back to August, and now September. The same goes for all of the other scale rolling stock in the 2020 V2 catalog. My educated guess would be is that Lionel is developing new trucks/couplers for all of the scale rolling stock after the problems with the 2020 V1 cars, hence the delay in production and relatively same delivery time frame for all the cars. So, probably, by the end of the summer we should hear more on new trucks/couplers.

When will the paper copies be available at dealers? Ill have to stop by my LHS and check later this week.

@EricTrainMan posted:

Yes, METCA had two special run cars that didn’t pass QC due to lettering issues on top of the known coupler issues. I preordered all of the last run and sent Lionel some operating videos of the issue from my layout. They’re supposed to be making new couplers.

HI, which cars are you referring from METCA? thank you.

Paul

@biscuitag97 posted:

When will the paper copies be available at dealers? Ill have to stop by my LHS and check later this week.

Well, notoriously catalogs have been early or been extremely late. It may be best to call you LHS to see if they have them, and if they can give you a copy before next Friday when it goes live. There have been a number of instances where some stores have out way before and others held to the release date. Naturally all this depends if they got the catalogs in the first place.

@RJ I posted:

Lionel offered roof-hatch boxcars in the 2020 V2 catalog. The original delivery date was February 2021, then it got pushed back to August, and now September. The same goes for all of the other scale rolling stock in the 2020 V2 catalog. My educated guess would be is that Lionel is developing new trucks/couplers for all of the scale rolling stock after the problems with the 2020 V1 cars, hence the delay in production and relatively same delivery time frame for all the cars. So, probably, by the end of the summer we should hear more on new trucks/couplers.

Ah, I'll have to check my lists.

@Railrunnin posted:

HI, which cars are you referring from METCA? thank you.

Paul

Brookside and Riverside Dairy

Thank you PRR Steam

Paul

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Ah, I'll have to check my lists.

Lists, plural!!  How much do you have on order, Dave?  😉

@Mark Boyce posted:

Lists, plural!!  How much do you have on order, Dave?  😉

On the V1 2020 I actually have almost all that I have had on order. I think that there are only a few I haven't gotten a call about them being in, and the only other things are engines, lol. On V2 2020 I haven't picked up anything yet, and I do know the NYC Baggage cars are in as well as the engines I ordered. Only a few passenger cars have not popped in yet to my knowledge. Either way, I have to wait a few weeks to pop back down only because my weekends are super busy until the 24th.

Dave, you will need to show us your haul when you get it

@Mark Boyce posted:

Dave, you will need to show us your haul when you get it

Biggest problem I have right now is time. I really want to get into the back bedroom to clear it so I can build my layout, but I'm busy as heck. So much needs to be done and hardly anytime to do it. Tonight my brother and I are loading up my aunt's great-grandfather's rolltop desk(think it's her great, not sure) and a hutch to go south with her to NC. Yeah that won't take too long to do, but hardly anytime to make time back. Good thing is tonight is leftover steak, yum.

I want to try on Saturday to get at the treadmill in the back bedroom to dismantle that as that is heavy, not working, and the biggest problem to clear the room. If I can get that out of the way, then only a dresser, nightstand and train boxes remain. I picked up the Reading passenger cars a couple of weeks back and really want to look at them too.

Dave, I’ve had your problem in the past for sure!  Your description sounds so familiar!!

@Mark Boyce posted:

Dave, I’ve had your problem in the past for sure!  Your description sounds so familiar!!

Yeah I bet. We all go through these spells where nothing seems to get done no matter how much time we devote to doing things. This past weekend there was so much more I wanted to get done on Saturday, but just wasn't enough time. Chainsawing can wait, that much is certain. Of course the afternoon rain that came would have made it impossible to do so. Good thing I decided to pick blueberries instead. I only had a bit of rain fall on me while doing that.

One thing is for sure though. Even if I don't get a chance in the coming weeks to clear the back bedroom, I still have to prep a few engines for their journey out and about in the big world to get upgrades. That may not happen until the 24th as well being that everything will just be harder trying to add that to the mix. I still have to get my hotel stay and vacation in for York.

I need the 40' box cars with roof hatches in the GRAND TRUNK WESTERN blue scheme.

I need the A.A.R. 50' double-door box cars with end doors produced in the 1960's GRAND TRUNK WESTERN scheme.

I need the LionScale plug-door 50' box cars brought back for the Central Vermont white, black, green scheme. 

Andrew

I'm curious if dealers have the pricing sheets yet; I know they get them in advance but not sure how far in advance.

The fact that there have been no leaks furthers my completely unsubstantiated belief that Lionel is the mystery buyer of former MTH steamer tooling. We’re getting a Legacy Dreyfuss!

@Prr7688 posted:

I'm curious if dealers have the pricing sheets yet; I know they get them in advance but not sure how far in advance.

Yes and no. The V1 my LTS had nothing as Lionel had run late on both. One time around they only had the pricing sheets so at least you could order something. They have some on the money times with releases and sometimes off by a bit or more. I would say that they're more careful about getting things on time but we have still had issues with it(meaning the catalog to dealers). Regardless, they always manage to get the online version up when they say.

The 8-Door 86' box cars have to be made in the 1967 Grand Trunk Western scheme in that specific bright blue applied in 1967.

They never made the GE U30C locos in the original 1968 SOO LINE scheme.

Andrew

The LIONEL couplers and trucks end up designed differently for each car type.

That is something that needs to be pointed out in the catalogs.

Andrew

The LIONEL trucks and couplers have ended up being designed differently for each freight car type.

Those differences need to be pointed out in the catalogs.

Andrew

@falconservice posted:

The LIONEL couplers and trucks end up designed differently for each car type.

That is something that needs to be pointed out in the catalogs.

Andrew

Usually it is noted in the catalog, that is more specifically in the past it was greatly detailed as to what trucks and couplers were for most of the cars. This was mainly for passenger cars and some of the rolling stock. Depending on the type of freight it may have said specifically, boxcars especially IIRC.

Those used on passenger cars would almost always say diecast sprung trucks, operating couplers. It may have had a bit more detail if it had thumbtack uncouplers but at least it gave you the full detail. I believe that boxcars and refers usually stated diecast sprung and operating couplers. Gondolas and flat cars would usually be mostly standard diecast trucks, not sprung. Always was curious about that. Occasionally you would get a few that would be though.

Since LIONEL made a VISION LINE Big Boy and ES44AC will there be big new O scale models of the GE/WABTEC ET44AC locomotives and the Greenbrier AUTO-MAX auto carrier. 

Andrew

i think something that's long over due is a lionmaster hudson. i mean we haven't seen one cataloged since 2004 if i'm right

And a Lionmaster Class A in Lionel Lines road name 😉😁

I'd like to see the BNSF 25th anniversary units, and the heritage fleet hoppers. Also some postwar reissues.

Bill

@Madockawando posted:

And a Lionmaster Class A in Lionel Lines road name 😉😁

how about a fantasy congressional silver pennsy class A . that scheme would also look good on a t1 duplex

It would be cool if they came out with a Legacy upgrade kit for my old 4-4-2 NYC locomotive from my childhood. That little thing was a beast.

I know that is quite the stretch to hope for any sort of Legacy upgrade kit but I can hope!!

I'm always thinking that sometimes what didn't make the first catalog will be in the second. What I mean by that is not necessarily another engine or cars they would have run, but something that could go with what was in the first. Of course this would be something in the minority. I believe that when they ran the GG1's they had something follow up in the next offering, though can't remember what it was.

What could they possibly run that people would be expecting or not expecting? Could we see Alleghenies? Could there be Berkshire's? Could there be Y6's? Could they run H7's? What could they possibly run that would be the big buzz this time around?

Yeah I realize that all I have listed is steam. That is mainly because that is my primary interest, and I know I didn't say Dreyfuss, Class A or T-1. That is because I think I have said that quite enough so far, even though I hope that they are in the cards.

I believe that this coming catalog will have some big diesel stuff coming. What, I couldn't tell you because I have no clue what they run and how often. I really only know what I know or hear, PA's, FA's, F3's, F7's, E7's, E8's, ES44's, MAC's(think I've got part of that right), U35's, SD's, whatever else there is.

Whatever diesel engines haven't been around the block lately(or at all) will probably make an appearance. Someone else may have better ideas as to what the heck would be likely than me, that much is certain.

Perhaps the road names would be better guesses? Didn't see much Pennsylvania engines, maybe some of them or even UP. Anyone have a go, see what comes out on Friday.

I'd like to see another run of the DD35As, assuming we get a lot of big diesels. Plus a legacy centennial is definitely something I'd purchase.

if they follow the theme of vol 1 i imagine there is gonna be a ton of fantasy schemes which i don't mind personally although i know some folks get agrivated by it. i am a huge fan of fantasy schemes although i wish there was more fantasy for lionchief 2.0 real railroads but fantasy paint

Most of the BNSF Heritage covered hoppers were Greenbrier 5188 cu ft capy 3-bay covered hoppers.

They would need to have the Greenbrier 5188 3-bay covered hoppers produced in O scale.

Andrew

Lionel's Facebook page is showing July 16th for the release date.

I’m hoping to see a PRR Torpedo done in Legacy but probably won’t happen.  

@The Pullman posted:

I'd like to see another run of the DD35As, assuming we get a lot of big diesels. Plus a legacy centennial is definitely something I'd purchase.

When was the last time they ran those? Could be time for it if enough time has passed.

@laz1957 posted:

I’m hoping to see a PRR Torpedo done in Legacy but probably won’t happen.  

I'd like to see that as well. With all the K4's they gave run over the past few years and the last catalog having more Pacific's, one would think that it should be coming soon.

Some people have also been hoping that Lionel has gotten some of the MTH tooling for engines. If that is true, we won't be seeing them in this coming catalog unless it was something that happened right from the beginning of the year(which I would still say no). If Lionel has indeed acquired any of the MTH tooling a for some of the great steam engines, they I would think would be next year's offerings just to start. Who can say for sure.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

When was the last time they ran those? Could be time for it if enough time has passed.

I'd like to see that as well. With all the K4's they gave run over the past few years and the last catalog having more Pacific's, one would think that it should be coming soon.

Some people have also been hoping that Lionel has gotten some of the MTH tooling for engines. If that is true, we won't be seeing them in this coming catalog unless it was something that happened right from the beginning of the year(which I would still say no). If Lionel has indeed acquired any of the MTH tooling a for some of the great steam engines, they I would think would be next year's offerings just to start. Who can say for sure.

I think the DD35s were last cataloged in 2011? I'm not entirely sure.

Too bad no leaks of the cover of the catalog.

i'm surprised there hasn't been a leak of the cover either Terrance LIONEL must have found out what was going on with the previous catalogs leaking and put a stop to it OR july 16th was perhaps speaking too soon and there was a hiccup in printing

i got thinking what if lionel made a WWE train set and seperate sale boxcars for all the wrestlers ? i would buy that set for sure as well as a Paige boxcar

i mean they could do everybody. make one huge WWE train

@laz1957 posted:

I’m hoping to see a PRR Torpedo done in Legacy but probably won’t happen.  

that is a top pick on my list as well except i would like it to be lionchief plus 2.0

@The Pullman posted:

I think the DD35s were last cataloged in 2011? I'm not entirely sure.

Well, you are correct. I just popped it in the search and that was exactly what it said, 2011 Signature. I think someone did a review on those, which may explain why I seem to remember them vaguely.

Another thing that got me thinking tonight was custom runs. I know that I have been buying a few here and there since a couple of years ago now. If the steam scene isn't quite to my liking, I will probably once again hope for some custom runs to expand my non-existent engine house, lol, or non-existent roundhouse. I know that the last catalog I got two custom Pacific's, but was somewhat disappointed that Lionel didn't take up Mr. Muffin on his idea for a custom run Mohawk. he had wanted to do one with a Vandy tender on it, but Lionel said no. I was somewhat curious if the Mohawk's ever had one, but I believe Steve said no, he thought that it would be cool to have one with that though.

Whatever is coming on Friday morning will be met with excitement and disappointment as usual. I am always happy to see what is in the catalog even if I am not ordering some of what is being offered. Last catalog was just 5 steam engines, no cars, no rolling stock, no nothing else(excluding Mr. Muffin's custom runs). I was both excited and disappointed because I sort of thought that there would be more things that caught my eye. While you could say that is bad I don't view it as such. Though I was mixed, I think a good majority of the community is always mixed. I think that I have been going this way for a bit now, mainly because I am hungry for things that we all have not seen in some time, and understandably, there is so much more to be done.

I know one of the other engines that I would like to see would be the NYC 999 4-4-0. What I didn't know is it had number changes from 999, to 1086(in 1913) to 1021(in 1920). If they did run such an engine, what else could they offer that would be around the same time period? I would also like to see some yard engines, those delightful switchers that sometimes come around. I think there are a number of switchers that were TMCC that haven't gotten a Legacy version as yet. That would be something to consider.

Run 319 OGR magazine which arrived yesterday has a LionChief RS-3 US Army set in the Product Showcase on page 13. The set has an Army RS-3, transparent stock car, missle launcher flatcar and security caboose.

Also an ad on page 70 with some new accessories.