Lionel 6-11465 SP Daylight Cab Forward Photos

I know John Korling is going to love it.

Thanks Mike.  It looks absobloominlutely beautiful.

Mike:

 

Thanks for sharing these photos with us. Your timing is impeccable as it should push more BTO before the deadline.

 

I really don't care that it is fantasy, it is just plain cool. Just to make the prototypical guys feel better, why not match this engine with daylight scheme passenger cars. That will really make them happy. 

I'm not usually a big fan of fantasy paint schemes, but this one I kinda like!

 

Hmmm...

I just can't warm up to this scheme, but for those that want there she is.

Looks good !   Those of us with Legacy GS-2s & GS-4s have another engine for double & triple heading.

Mike,

 

WOW, GOTTA HAVE ONE!!!

 

 

Fred

If I decide to order/purchase a Legacy Cab Forward, THIS is the model I would want. Why? Because of the road number! The 4275 was the first of the AC-12 class. Since I model in the early to mid 1950s, which is when the SP stopped painting their name on the sides of the cab forward tenders, all I would have to due is paint this model black.

Aaarrrrgh!!!            Sacrilege!  How can I unsee that?  Well, at least it's good to know that you aren't a fan of fantasy paint schemes on scale engines Mike.

 

 

I do have a question for you:  Did Lionel ever correct the sound file for this release or are you guys still using the same sound sets from the 2005 release?  The original release did not have a correct-sounding whistle (wrong tone and the prototype was not quillable), and when you put the locomotive in FWD or REV the air compressor sounds stopped (it should be heard while underway as well as at idle).

 

 

John,

You'll have to click on the video link when we post it later this week and see (or hear anyway!).

 

The sound file is entirely new, we even nailed the distinct air pump sounds at idle. Included a quillable high speed horn in addition to the whistle (and the dual 50mm Fat Boy speakers in the tender remind you of how awesome it truly is every time you blow the whistle (or horn)).

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

Rusty

Forgot to add:  Will all the production models have prototypical graphite colored smokeboxes/stacks like the first run, or are they going to be silver like the sample shown above?  Or is that going to be just limited to the fantasy Daylight scheme?

Mike, do you know if either of AC-12s that don't have images on your website will be painted in the pre 1945 paint scheme as built?

 

 

 

Pete

Thanks Mike,

 

You guys already had the compressor sounds available at idle on the original run.  The problem was that the 2005 sound set's compressor sounds stopped once you started running the engine in forward or reverse.  The compressors on the prototype didn't stop venting when the engine started moving, so it should be heard in motion as well as when idling.  I was wondering if this original discrepancy was corrected in your new sound set.

 

My question regarding quilling was more about the whistle than the horn.  The pitch of the original 2005 release sounded too high, like it was obtained from a completely different locomotive.  Also, the prototype cab forwards whistles were activated by an air valve, not a traditional pullstring so the whistle was either on or off so the crew wasn't really able to quill the whistle.  The horn wouldn't be quillable either.

 

Refer to this YouTube clip that has a segment from one of the Pentrex DVDs on the cab forward as a reference to the sounds: 

 

 

Notice in the video that you hear the compressor sounds while the locomotive is in motion as well as at idle, and you can hear the whistle in the clip too although not the horn.  The horn would sound identical to the GS- class Northerns including the Daylights anyway.

Mike, Kudos to you and Lionel. This engine is selling fantastic and I am sure it will be a sell out. Rember this engine is NOT BTO and has already been ordered by Lionel.

That clears my question up.  Was wondering how it could be ready to ship if it was BTO.

 

Looks very nice.

 

-Dave

 

 

I would buy this in a flash, if it could run on 036; would make a nice Lionmaster!!

That one I would put right next to that Lehigh Valley thing with the maroon feathers.

 

However, for those who like Daylight colors, these things in basic black did haul the bright red and orange cars on occasion.  And there are rumors that the boiler jackets may have been grey or green on some cab forwards.

This the first time I ever thought about ordering a fantasy scheme. 

 

Somebody talk me out of this, hurry or maybe not. 

Thanks for the photos Mike! Keep up the good work!

That looks like you in the cab Hotwater! Maybe we should see if they could use your voice for the dialog. If it would be anywhere near as interesting as your forum comments it would likely be Lionels best crewtalk ever

 

I would be more than happy to, but I don't think that Lionel has the b***s to do that. MTH has used me a number of times on the GS-4 sounds, back some years ago.

Thanks Mike for posting this. Can't wait for the video not least because I am curious about the sounds.

 

In any case I was one of the early pre-order persons - call it a leap of faith.

 

The paint scheme is, uh, unbelievably good. I bet this model is the second biggest seller after the Big Boy. Long live Southern Pacific!

Mike, I think this engine is going to be a winner.

I love it.

Pat

WWW.PATSTRAINS.COM

 

Mike, I like it and talked my son who is a SP fan to place his order for one.  These are toy trains, made to have fun with and this locomotive looks like loads of fun.

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

Nice…
That one is going to bring out the Impulse Buyer in a lot of us…just not me, this year-anyhow.
You guys already got all my Lunch Money for this year.  LOL

Keep up the Great Work, Mike.!! 

Thanks for Posting....

K.C.

I'm not speaking to the all black Cab Forward, but on this fantasy scheme a quillable whistle and horn could be fantasy also.  Quilling is really neat and adds to the overall sound package.

 

Isn't quilling a user option?  If you don't want to quil, don't, but for many, it's nice that it's there.

Looks like Lee won't have to custom paint one!

I'm not for the fantasy paint scheme but overall the model looks great.

Too bad I will be able to afford one this year... too many engines, not enough money.

I had placed on order with one just this week with Charles Ro, with some trepidation as the catalog photo was lacking and I no longer buy western roadnames, but this reinforces my decision.

 

As I get older, I find myself returning to my roots of being in this hobby, which revolves around imagineering fantasy worlds within my layout. The Daylight Cab Forward will join my Polar Express and Polar Railroad items.

 

 

John is correct on both accounts. Southern Pacific steam locomotives such as the cab forwards and the GS-4/5 classes had small brass levers that provided main reservoir air pressure directly to the big air horn, and to a good sized air cylinder that operated the whistle. Thus, both the whistle and air horn were either ON or OFF, with no quailing feature available.

 

That being said, ONLY SP4449 has a lever operated whistle, and thus can be "played" by the Engineer. Also, the whistle on SP4449 was moved forward from its original location within the skyline casing, to right beside the exhaust stack on the Engineer's side.

That thing looks really great. I can picture a long string of Daylight cars behind it!

 

Those who ordered it are sure to be pleased.

Fantastic locomotive, model and paint scheme......but not together!!!

I'd love a Lionel Cab Forward but I'd have to go with black and silver.

Cool that it's selling well.....to each his own!!!!

neat pics anyway!

Thanks, after seeing it I have to say I changed my mind.  I didn't think it looked all the great in the catalog, but these photos sure do it justice.  I've already blown my money on the VL BB, so this isn't in the cards for me at this time, but it is a beauty, and I'd love to have one.

Hey guys....it's a fantasy paint scheme.....so the sounds can be fantasy also. I believe that this is one beautiful loco and that LIONEL has probably hit a home run with it. If you want it buy it, if not, please do not run it down because of little things that do not come up to your standards.

 

Hope you all have a great weekend and a Happy Mother's Day to all of our Mothers that put up with our train layouts in the middle of the living room on Christmas day.

 

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Perhaps next we'll see a Big Boy in "Greyhound," an EM1 in "Royal Blue," a 3751 class Northern in "Warbonnet" and the Milw S3 Northern in "Hiawatha..."

 

Rusty

 

Yikes, must say it is colorful...
Will the Cab Forwards have 8 chuffs per revolution?

It has been mentioned these came out after the Southern Pacific Lines lettering had changed to SOUTHERN PACIFIC and into black tenders. Will there be all three or just certain versions made?

 

At this price point the boss has an aversion to "quirky manufacturer painted stuff" versus painted and lettered as accurately as possible. And it is her day Sunday

Thanks

 

 

I have no issue with fantasy sound sets being used on an engine with a fantasy paint scheme.  That was nowhere near the point of my original questions anyway.

 

My question to Mike was, has Lionel corrected the sound set discrepancies that were present in the 2005 release so that this new release now has the correct sounding whistle (quilling is fine I suppose as long as its user-selectable so it can be operated as it actually sounded as well) and if the air compressor sounds are now heard when the engine is moving as well as when at standstill.   That aside, I would take it as a given that at least they have 8 chuffs per revolution now and hopefully with more convincing in-and-out synchronization compared to the original release as well.

 

The sounds for this engine have always been easy to research and high-quality archived recorded samplings available to hear even prior to when Lionel did their original release of this model.  If the sounds weren't corrected on their new releases, which are also what made the Cab Forward stand out from other steam locomotives were not corrected, then I would probably end up converting it to PS2 since MTH (and QSI before) have had correct sounds for their cab forwards before Lionel as well.  That's not running it down, that's simply stating facts.

 

As to the Daylight scheme; it's a beautiful paint scheme, in fact it's my favorite of all the passenger car paint schemes ever made, followed closely by the WP California Zephyr.  Is it beautiful on the Cab Forworward?  That's an individual preference of course, but whether it's beautiful on that model or not is immaterial to me since I don't care for fantasy paint schemes on scale equipment like Mike Regan does in general.  To each their own, but I personally would have liked them to offer #4275 in its correct paint scheme in addition to the fantasy Daylight scheme. 

Mike,

I just ordered one!  Can hardly wait to hear the SOUNDS!!! It will look great pulling my 8 DAYLIGHT CARS!!

Fred

Hey all,

As promised, below is video of the SP Daylight Cab Forward running. Sorry for the quality of the video, its been a hectic day and we just ran up to the layout and shot this after 5pm. 

 

While the video quality leaves a lot to be desired it accomplishes the intent; to allow you to see it perform and hear how it sounds. Hope you enjoy!

 

(While the quillable whistle is not prototypical for the Cab Forward (well neither is the paint scheme on this model!) I have to admit the quillable whistle is the "cat's meow" (yes, that's a Lionel pun!) when it comes to running Legacy locos!)