@Mikado 4501 posted:The graffiti covered hoppers, Lionscale peak-ended coal hoppers, and American Railroads passenger cars are a welcome addition, as are the Lionmaster J3a Hudsons.
Other than those, not too much else for me.
I am going to see what the preorder prices are for those Hudsons. I'd really like to get that Halloween version.
Until I see the fireman's side of the N&W Y6b version with the oblong smokebox door, I will not be convinced that Lionel did their homework on this!
There was a reason for this door. That being, the hot water pump for the feedwater heater was originally mounted under the smokebox on the first few engines. Later, the hot water pump was moved to the side of the smokebox and the round door appeared. Also, when the Y6b was first built, the external reducing valve (booster valve, to some) had yet to be invented. The 2197, being a later build, did not have such a door.
Wow! I just went though the Volume 2 catalog online. I really like the PRR C-Liner now that it is done DGLE and has a pair of two axle truck under it. But it is $100 more than the GP9 offered in the last catalog. I’ll be curious what the preorder pricing will be from the big online retailers for this engine.
My wish came true. New Haven Mountain with the Vanderbilt tender.
thank you Lionel
The last time Lionel did the Senator passenger cars, they did not make a station sounds diner. Happy to see them re-issuing the Senator cars. I'll be getting the Station Sound car to go with my set from last run. Would love a Vision GG1 but budget may say no since I already have the PRR GP9s coming this fall.
Did anyone see the digital printing flaw on pages 38/39? Online, I am seeing page 38 with SD70s and page 39 with c-liners. There is no clear transition and the c-liners are missing their data page.
@Carl Peduzzi posted:Did anyone see the digital printing flaw on pages 38/39? Online, I am seeing page 38 with SD70s and page 39 with c-liners. There is no clear transition and the c-liners are missing their data page.
Maybe I am just accustomed to seeing each new locos use the left and right pages. My bad.
Ouch. This catalog is going to hurt the wallet. New haven PAs in green, New haven Mountain with Vanderbuilt tender, New Haven Mountain freight set....
No Pensy Solid Stripe GG1 makes me sad. :-( I would love to see a model of #4903 someday.
I guess I'll console myself with TWO full brand new Amtrak sets!
okay does anyone have warren buffett's phone number?
i would love to have the CSX hydrogen GP38 and the AREA 51 set
but i don't have the money and would love to grow my roster more next year
i'm trying to get up to 16 engines to match the roster size of my local short line and have 11 more engines to go.
the Halloween and Pacemaker hudsons also have my attention
@J.Dooley posted:No Pensy Solid Stripe GG1 makes me sad. :-( I would love to see a model of #4903 someday.
I guess I'll console myself with TWO full brand new Amtrak sets!
Saw same thing. I have multiple 5 stripe units, as well as the silver/red, so both Tuscan and B. Green solid stripe are on my list. Various ways of getting those 2nd hand, but the riveted car body version is more hard to find.
@prr4935 posted:Saw same thing. I have multiple 5 stripe units, as well as the silver/red, so both Tuscan and B. Green solid stripe are on my list. Various ways of getting those 2nd hand, but the riveted car body version is more hard to find.
The only silver/red one I have is a zinc-rotted JLC (6-18374) that I love dearly but am now 100% going to replace with a new one. I probably need to stop buying every GG1 I see.
Some very nice stuff indeed! I like all the options they got for the GG-1's this time around, and thankfully they did bring back the N5 cabooses! I'm definitely getting the Long Island one they got in this catalog. Hopefully any changes to the final product aren't too drastic, haha!
I am also disappointed in a few things, unfortunately. I actually think the traditional section is underwhelming, though I appreciate the CPKC set they are offering. Volume 1 had way more going on in the traditional section, but maybe that's how it always is, and I just didn't realize it. Also, I don't care for the fact that there are no powered B units for the diesels in this catalog. For me personally, I like to try and get nothing but powered locomotives when it comes to the prototypical side of my collection, so it's disappointing to see the C-Liner B units and Alco PB's only be the Superbass. My guess is that maybe the Superbasses sell better than the powered B units, and so they dropped the powered B units altogether this time. I actually just went back to Volume 1 and realized it was kind of the same thing, except for the E6 pairs that are coming as an AB set anyway.
And then this part is just an observation, not a good or bad thing on my end: are the former Weaver cars no longer made in America? The ones that have mostly molded-in detail?
No modern BNSF or UP power for my layout (pity), but I do like the liveries on the Milwaukee Road and CP Rail FM C-Liners; very nice. Also, the ATSF Alco PAs are fantastic in their gorgeous Warbonnet paint (no matching passenger cars!), but I'm more of a modern guy. There are a few pieces of rolling stock I liked that would work for my layout: a heavy duty flatcar and the D&RGW ACF 4-Bay Hoppers.
@Big Jim posted:Until I see the fireman's side of the N&W Y6b version with the oblong smokebox door, I will not be convinced that Lionel did their homework on this!
There was a reason for this door. That being, the hot water pump for the feedwater heater was originally mounted under the smokebox on the first few engines. Later, the hot water pump was moved to the side of the smokebox and the round door appeared. Also, when the Y6b was first built, the external reducing valve (booster valve, to some) had yet to be invented. The 2197, being a later build, did not have such a door.
I will make sure this makes it into any of the Live Catalog shows, or the Miniature Models podcast to get clarification, Jim.
I am not interesting any of the steam in this catalog. While the Y6b is great, it just doesn’t fit my collection. That and I have 2 Berkshires from the last catalog on order.
The diesels are a different story. The NYS&W SD70ACe will probably make the list as welL as the SD40-2 AC&W. Not sure why, but the small roads and fallen flags have peaked my interest as of late. Having a GG1 would be cool, but it isn’t a must for me
Now the Halloween PA set looks like a must. I have the North Pole Central E8 set from the 2023v1 catalog, and it is gorgeous. I think we need a Halloween set to match it.
I’ll need to look through the catalog a few dozen more times to solidify my list.
Guess I'm showing my age (just turned 80) but the pricing is unbelievable! $299 for a baggage car??? $499 for some cheap electronics added to give sound to an overpriced $300 car? My goodness...
The new Mikados clearly illustrate Lionel's continued disregard for their scale customers again with the small pilot wheels so common on their otherwise fine scale steamers. Why not have a scale pilot mounted with a 'toy' pilot included or offered as an option? Thomas rightly points out the question about their faulty gearboxes that have been around for many years now and that overwhelms Pat (HarmonYards) with extra work! Have they been corrected?
Yet Lionel produced a handsome American Flyer Mike some years ago with a much better proportioned pilot wheel set.
I have an earlier O scale mikado that looks like it uses the same pilot that is on my Flyionel mike! Great looking S scale locomotive...
One thing I did notice. The last run of the MTH 0-6-0’s had a problem with the tether staying seated. It looks like they may have corrected this. The socket is no longer attached to the Locomotive looking at the photo. It looks like the socket is hanging off the wires and they meet somewhere in the middle. Allowing the whole harness to flex more easily.
I'll put this here because it *kinda* involves the release of the catalog.
As someone who usually spreads pre-order love around, this is brilliant and diabolical in equal measure. I tip my hat to whoever realized this would get me to spend my pre-order money in fewer places.
Is Lionel dropping support for the Voice Streaming & Recording feature in Lionchief? The two Lionchief engines in the V2 catalog do not have the "VSR" symbol nor advertise the feature. This, combined with the lack of a VSR control page in the CAB3-b app, makes me wonder. It's a nice feature that adds neat play value, especially for kids.
It’s great to finally see a blue Conrail 4800. Assuming Lionel uses their accurate 4800 tooling with the rivets this would be the first time an accurate blue 4800 has been made in o scale. I’m in for one.
@Dave_C posted:One thing I did notice. The last run of the MTH 0-6-0’s had a problem with the tether staying seated. It looks like they may have corrected this. The socket is no longer attached to the Locomotive looking at the photo. It looks like the socket is hanging off the wires and they meet somewhere in the middle. Allowing the whole harness to flex more easily.
I'm trying to figure out what they did here... It looks like they photoshopped in their new wired tether on top of a previous photo of the MTH wireless drawbar as you can still distinctly see the old 6-pin (2x3) male connector...
I have one of the MTH 0-6-0 engines and didn't have a problem with the drawbar but I also run wider than the minimum required curve.
@c.sam posted:Guess I'm showing my age (just turned 80) but the pricing is unbelievable! $299 for a baggage car??? $499 for some cheap electronics added to give sound to an overpriced $300 car? My goodness...
A $75 700E in 1937 is the equivalent of about $1700 in 2024.
A $67.50 2343 in 1950 is the equivalent of about $900 in 2024.
Lionel trains have always been expensive.
The pricing of product from Lionel, LCC of today seems to be about on par with the pricing of the Lionel Corporation of the past.
Didn't Lionel just do FM C Liners a few years ago? Wonder why they're running them again so soon.
These are the B-B versions of the C-liner. The first run was the B-A1A trucked version of the C-liner.
WAY TOO MUCH PRR! One can even say Pennsy Overload!
For me Maybe the American RR passenger set [ no GG1] and hopefully able to hunt down the berk!
Possible C Liner diesels and N5b vabin cars
I'll have to check with the Teichmueller book to see if the N&W K2a hoppers are true and not just adding a top cap piece on the H43 die cast hopper cars.
@J.Dooley posted:I'll put this here because it *kinda* involves the release of the catalog.
As someone who usually spreads pre-order love around, this is brilliant and diabolical in equal measure. I tip my hat to whoever realized this would get me to spend my pre-order money in fewer places.
Is this directly from Lionel or from a specific store? This reminds me when Lionel introduced Vision Line and they offered savings if you ordered all of the Vision Line items. Looks to be a great way to get your trains and save!
Hello everyone!
Mercy, this catalog is going to hurt the wallet! Here is a catalog review that contains most of my thoughts on it.
@Carl Peduzzi posted:I am not interesting any of the steam in this catalog. While the Y6b is great, it just doesn’t fit my collection. That and I have 2 Berkshires from the last catalog on order.
The diesels are a different story. The NYS&W SD70ACe will probably make the list as welL as the SD40-2 AC&W. Not sure why, but the small roads and fallen flags have peaked my interest as of late. Having a GG1 would be cool, but it isn’t a must for me
Now the Halloween PA set looks like a must. I have the North Pole Central E8 set from the 2023v1 catalog, and it is gorgeous. I think we need a Halloween set to match it.
I’ll need to look through the catalog a few dozen more times to solidify my list.
I agree 100% with you, Carl. I like the Halloween set here. I would like to see some scale Halloween E8s/any of the Bulldog nose EMD power like that of the North Pole Central.
@Big Jim posted:Until I see the fireman's side of the N&W Y6b version with the oblong smokebox door, I will not be convinced that Lionel did their homework on this!
There was a reason for this door. That being, the hot water pump for the feedwater heater was originally mounted under the smokebox on the first few engines. Later, the hot water pump was moved to the side of the smokebox and the round door appeared. Also, when the Y6b was first built, the external reducing valve (booster valve, to some) had yet to be invented. The 2197, being a later build, did not have such a door.
Has anyone ever done the oblong smokebox door before Jim? My guess is that they probably didn't do it. It is interesting that a bit further back in the catalog they have coal loads to fit hoppers, but the hoppers offered don't seem to have coal loads that I can see from my phone.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Has anyone ever done the oblong smokebox door before Jim? My guess is that they probably didn't do it. It is interesting that a bit further back in the catalog they have coal loads to fit hoppers, but the hoppers offered don't seem to have coal loads that I can see from my phone.
Dave,
Neither Lionel or MTH has done a Y6b with the oblong door. I can't say about any other manufacturer. Possible that Koh's did it.
@WBC posted:A $75 700E in 1937 is the equivalent of about $1700 in 2024.
A $67.50 2343 in 1950 is the equivalent of about $900 in 2024.
Lionel trains have always been expensive.
The pricing of product from Lionel, LCC of today seems to be about on par with the pricing of the Lionel Corporation of the past.
I'm well aware of inflation over the many years here for sure. The 700E and the 2343's were locomotives/engines composed of many intricate parts and Lionel had the design work and tooling expenses invested in them. These 'simple' baggage cars were designed and tooled by Weaver if I'm not mistaken and nowhere near the complexity of a powered unit. It just really hit me when I saw these, especially having bought two of these cars on the secondary market for less than $100 each.
@c.sam posted:Guess I'm showing my age (just turned 80) but the pricing is unbelievable! $299 for a baggage car??? $499 for some cheap electronics added to give sound to an overpriced $300 car? My goodness...
I agree with you on this. That car in particular almost doubled in MSRP since its original 2017 release, 7 years ago. Thank goodness for the various train stores that sell these items at somewhere below MSRP. I don't need the Vision Line version, but I feel like that car in general is worth no more than $200, although I admit I want the yellow PC version. But still, that is quite a price hike!
Hi OGR N&W Y-6b fans,
For those of you who own or know well the 2014 Legacy version of Lionel's Y-6b (skus #6-8234(0, 1, 2), how does that three-model set compare to the four new models in the upcoming 2024 V2 Catalog?
@Big Jim posted and pointed out some historical issues - see below ...
Seems the diff's in the 2024 model plans are: two different smoke box fronts, safety valve steam, 4-digit addressing, new road numbers offered.
I would hate to buy a new one if it's not truly improved in 2024.
Any other perspectives?
- Ken Gillig
So much Canadian railroad offerings in 1 Catalog. My wallet already hurts. Going to be tough narrowing it down.
@WBC posted:A $75 700E in 1937 is the equivalent of about $1700 in 2024.
A $67.50 2343 in 1950 is the equivalent of about $900 in 2024.
Lionel trains have always been expensive.
The pricing of product from Lionel, LCC of today seems to be about on par with the pricing of the Lionel Corporation of the past.
In 1953, my dad bought an extra passenger car for his super chief set it was $9.50 then which is about $112 in 2024. Is Lionel charging more for their products, yes.
HOWEVER, The add-on car they make today is far superior to the one they made 70 years ago. We are going to pay more because we get more. One needs to weigh if the high cost is worth the extra features. To @c.sam the answer is no, to others willing to pay extra cash, yes.
I believe its much more when you factor in the cost of (Chinese) labor today.
I need to win the lottery……too much cool stuff!
Peter
My copy of the catalog arrived in the mail this morning. And after looking it over I believe the star of this catalog will be the Lionmaster NYC J3A Hudson. It has almost all of the features of a Legacy steam engine without the Legacy premium price. Looks like a winner to me.
@c.sam posted:Guess I'm showing my age (just turned 80) but the pricing is unbelievable! $299 for a baggage car??? $499 for some cheap electronics added to give sound to an overpriced $300 car? My goodness...
The new Mikados clearly illustrate Lionel's continued disregard for their scale customers again with the small pilot wheels so common on their otherwise fine scale steamers. Why not have a scale pilot mounted with a 'toy' pilot included or offered as an option? Thomas rightly points out the question about their faulty gearboxes that have been around for many years now and that overwhelms Pat (HarmonYards) with extra work! Have they been corrected?
Yet Lionel produced a handsome American Flyer Mike some years ago with a much better proportioned pilot wheel set.
I have an earlier O scale mikado that looks like it uses the same pilot that is on my Flyionel mike! Great looking S scale locomotive...
Exactly, Sam! And $300 for a VL caboose. Those prices gave me a nosebleed!
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