@GAN Railroad posted:I guess I was misunderstood, are any steam or diesel engines in the catalog pennsy?
Diesel : Cliners A-B[ superbase] -A
@carnerd3000 posted:I agree with you on this. That car in particular almost doubled in MSRP since its original 2017 release, 7 years ago. Thank goodness for the various train stores that sell these items at somewhere below MSRP. I don't need the Vision Line version, but I feel like that car in general is worth no more than $200, although I admit I want the yellow PC version. But still, that is quite a price hike!
Lookout for the former Weaver models version. Even cheaper used on the secondary market.
Well, Lionel called my bluff. Been asking for a Lionchief Plus 2.0 Hudson in the red and gray Pacemaker scheme, and don't they do it in the wonderful Lionmaster version. Thanks Lionel for listening. Wished it was priced like my first Lionmaster J3A Hudson but I get it, inflation is everywhere.
I'm in for one for sure. Boss approved.
@GAN Railroad posted:Aside from the gg1's any Pennsylvania railroad or engines in a demonstrator paint scheme?
The only thing that comes close to a demo paint scemes is the GG1 with original Raymond Lowey 5 stripes and a VMV/NREX SD40-3 for $650.00
@H1000 posted:I'm trying to figure out what they did here... It looks like they photoshopped in their new wired tether on top of a previous photo of the MTH wireless drawbar as you can still distinctly see the old 6-pin (2x3) male connector...
I have one of the MTH 0-6-0 engines and didn't have a problem with the drawbar but I also run wider than the minimum required curve.
That is the same picture Lionel used for the first release of the 0-6-0s. I would expect the tether to be the same as the first run.
@will2926 posted:Is this directly from Lionel or from a specific store? This reminds me when Lionel introduced Vision Line and they offered savings if you ordered all of the Vision Line items. Looks to be a great way to get your trains and save!
It's one of the well-known places, I didn't want to name drop without permission, but let's just say it was one of the first e-mail notifications I got after the catalog dropped.
I've taken the same (admittedly ridiculous) wishlist order and priced it out across three different websites, and it's interesting how different the prices are, and how they get there.
Website A: 19% off retail, plus 3% volume/"good customer" discount, no shipping discount
Website B: 16% off retail, plus 10% volume discount, free shipping for prepaid pre-orders
Website C: 17% off retail, no volume discount, no shipping discount
Website D: 22% off retail with a mix of "Early Buy Discount" and standard discount, flat rate shipping (but not free)
I tried to go through the exercise with a couple other sites I've bought from before, but it's surprising that some places don't have their inventory updated to include the new catalog, even if they have a banner advertising that pre-orders are open. Strange.
Are there any on-line stores you've used for pre-orders that you'd recommend?
@J.Dooley posted:It's one of the well-known places, I didn't want to name drop without permission, but let's just say it was one of the first e-mail notifications I got after the catalog dropped.
I've taken the same (admittedly ridiculous) wishlist order and priced it out across three different websites, and it's interesting how different the prices are, and how they get there.
Website A: 19% off retail, plus 3% volume/"good customer" discount, no shipping discount
Website B: 16% off retail, plus 10% volume discount, free shipping for prepaid pre-orders
Website C: 17% off retail, no volume discount, no shipping discount
Website D: 22% off retail with a mix of "Early Buy Discount" and standard discount, flat rate shipping (but not free)I tried to go through the exercise with a couple other sites I've bought from before, but it's surprising that some places don't have their inventory updated to include the new catalog, even if they have a banner advertising that pre-orders are open. Strange.
Are there any on-line stores you've used for pre-orders that you'd recommend?
It's the muffin man doing that discount.
@J.Dooley posted:Are there any on-line stores you've used for pre-orders that you'd recommend?
I always use Charles Ro. They always seem to have the best preorder price.
@Joe Fermani posted:I always use Charles Ro. They always seem to have the best preorder price.
Was the lowest initial price at 22% off of the total, but the added 10% kicker and the free shipping at Mr. Muffin knocked it down to #2. The low price shipping ($40+$10 for each additional box) is nice though. Definitely one of the cheapest out there.
@J.Dooley posted:Was the lowest initial price at 22% off of the total, but the added 10% kicker and the free shipping at Mr. Muffin knocked it down to #2. The low price shipping ($40+$10 for each additional box) is nice though. Definitely one of the cheapest out there.
Yea its free shipping if you pay now is the impression I get from his email. "With paid pre-order". It says
Cheap???? NOTHING cheap in the new catalog!
lots of pretty nice stuff however... Dive in folks
@Joe Fermani posted:The last time Lionel did the Senator passenger cars, they did not make a station sounds diner. Happy to see them re-issuing the Senator cars. I'll be getting the Station Sound car to go with my set from last run. Would love a Vision GG1 but budget may say no since I already have the PRR GP9s coming this fall.
I also ordered the Senator Station Sound dinner as well for the same reason. In the Lionel catalog (on line) the Senator dinner was $100 more than the Congressional dinner……guess it was a misprint as all the pre-orders had them at the same discounted price.
I consider myself to be one of the top PRR fans but for some reason never wanted a GG1. The vision line ones are real neat with the sparks on the pantographs but not enough to get me to order one. Could be I never had overhead wires on any of my club layouts.
The PRR C Liners were tempting but not in this years budget.
JohnB
Have to say, was hoping the traditional 5-stripe Rivets would make a return. Impossible to find, so I'm sure some people who failed to get it last time would be in this time.
I have the vision line conrail bicentennial GG1, the only thing I like About the new release will be the ability to adjust individual volumes with bluetooth.
I've been looking out for a legacy Y6b for a long time. The last time I saw one come up on one of the auction sites was years ago, and I have been kicking myself ever since for not jumping on it. Pleasantly surprised to see it offered, along with some more-plausible fantasy schemes (SF, UP, PRR) as well as in different designs. The price is also a pleasant surprise - this is $2000 while the Y3's back in 2020 or 2021 were advertised at $1900 in the catalog, a bump of only $100 is a relief. I may jump on a pre-order for one.
I also like the legacy mountains, in particular the blue T&P. I don't believe the color is prototypical (it has been a few years since I researched the prototype, though I seem to recall reading this somewhere) but I absolutely love the blue color and I also have the matching K-Line 6-car set. Given the recent track record with paint schemes, I will not be pre-ordering, but I will keep an eye out for when it ships and pictures/videos start to surface. If it looks good, I will see if I can snag one.
Gotta say, everything going on in the real world has me concerned about the future and a bit somber, but this catalog was an unexpected bright spot. Thanks Lionel! 
God bless.
@0-Gauge CJ posted:Gotta say, everything going on in the real world has me concerned about the future and a bit somber, but this catalog was an unexpected bright spot. Thanks Lionel!
God bless.
Man, I felt this sentence in my soul.
@JohnB posted:I also ordered the Senator Station Sound dinner as well for the same reason. In the Lionel catalog (on line) the Senator dinner was $100 more than the Congressional dinner……guess it was a misprint as all the pre-orders had them at the same discounted price.
I confirmed with Lionel it was a misprint. Both sound cars are the same price.
@Patrick B posted:There is a new Transformers movie coming out later this year so I'll once again hope for a Transformers collab train set. It doesn't have to go all out like the Tyco Transformers set from the 80s where the caboose could turn into a fighter jet, an Autobot or Decepticon (or both) themed train with a Deluxe class figure of Either Optimus or Megatron riding on flatbeds would suffice.
Love the Tyco Transformers set. I had one as a kid that was thrown out against my will. Found one sealed not too long ago on Ebay. I am keeping it sealed but something slides around inside the box. Hope its just some track or parts. It was a sign of the times at Tyco in 1985. Tyco once a proud American Made producer of HO trains.
Phooey, no additional Friendship Train or American Freedom Train items. Didn't see anything of interest my first time through the catalog.
Looking at it again I noticed the Spirit of St. Louis 2-unit diner. Pulled out my Pennsylvania Dining Cars book by Liljestrand & Sweetland, and the cars are an accurate representation of the ACF double unit diners in the D85cR/D85dR class. The blank center section of the dining car was where the bar was located. The kitchen/dormitory car has the correct window arrangement. I would have preferred the two-stripe scheme instead of Lionel's FOM scheme (especially since these cars were not delivered until 1949), but several real cars still had the FOM into the early 50s so you would see a mix.
If they had done these before, I missed it. I will get them. $700 will make these my most expensive cars so I hope they won't have any issues.
Nice to see aluminum passenger cars again. Amtrak is a must have as well as the Injection Molded Amtrak Rainbow set. Is it worth selling the 2022 Amtrak Cars where the baggage car is missing the step rails? (rhetorical question) But that 2022 set does have the smooth sided coach. One like it appeared on the 1990s Crescent often and it had a rough interior. I recall cracked vinyl seats repaired with vinyl tape. Loved it though and wish that consist were still used.
Did Ryan & Dave do a show today about this catalog? If so, how do I find it?
@Big Jim posted:Did Ryan & Dave do a show today about this catalog? If so, how do I find it?
@CAPPilot posted:Looking at it again I noticed the Spirit of St. Louis 2-unit diner. Pulled out my Pennsylvania Dining Cars book by Liljestrand & Sweetland, and the cars are an accurate representation of the ACF double unit diners in the D85cR/D85dR class. The blank center section of the dining car was where the bar was located. The kitchen/dormitory car has the correct window arrangement. I would have preferred the two-stripe scheme instead of Lionel's FOM scheme (especially since these cars were not delivered until 1949), but several real cars still had the FOM into the early 50s so you would see a mix.
If they had done these before, I missed it. I will get them. $700 will make these my most expensive cars so I hope they won't have any issues.
It appears to me the two-unit diner is in the same paint scheme as the other cars in the set (in other words, not the Fleet of Modernism scheme). I think the two horizontal lines below the windows are meant to convey the seams in the sheet metal - Lionel probably wanted to make sure people realized that detail was there.
I ordered the NH Mountain with Vanderbilt tender. My first store would not let me use a credit card for monthly payments. They wanted a debit card which I do not have and would never use. I bought it elsewhere with my credit card being billed when it comes in.
@PGentieu posted:It appears to me the two-unit diner is in the same paint scheme as the other cars in the set (in other words, not the Fleet of Modernism scheme). I think the two horizontal lines below the windows are meant to convey the seams in the sheet metal - Lionel probably wanted to make sure people realized that detail was there.
You are correct, for a couple of obvious reasons they are not in the FOM scheme (no FOM paint around windows). Need new glasses.
You can see those seams in photos of the D85a, but not of the D85c. Could be camera angle. It looks like the Lionel models have only one-strip under the windows instead of two, a later paint scheme.
I will have to do a review when I get them, hopefully before I die.
The link from Lionel took me to a catalog with the PolEx on the cover. I clicked on it and there are no PolEx offerings. Weird. I’m using Chrome for iOS. Maybe the link is bad???
@Rider Sandman posted:The link from Lionel took me to a catalog with the PolEx on the cover. I clicked on it and there are no PolEx offerings. Weird. I’m using Chrome for iOS. Maybe the link is bad???
I don't recall any polar express in new catalog
The catalog was rather good in my personal opinion! Should've been a PRR GG1 in the cover art considering the amount of Pennsy items swarming the thing! I was practically over the moon at the new run of N5 Cabins and immediately pre-ordered the Central Region Futura variant for my TMCC M1a and an X31a to go along as well!
Only thing im really interested in is the N5 Vision caboose IF they fix the location of the smoke stack.
@CBQ_Bill posted:A relief to me is that there are no new BR-CB&Q items in the new catalog because my wallet needs a break.😄
This is a relief because the last catalog had the following items offered:
BR-C&S 2-8-0, recently delivered
BR-C&S-FW&D E5/E6 ABB set
BR 7 Car 21” Zephyr Set
BR-CB&Q Motorcar
BR-CB&Q 2-4-2
BR-CB&Q Gold Boxcar with FreightSounds
Five of the above items have not yet been delivered. Looking forward to their release !!!
The new catalog does have the following item of interest to me:
plastic coal loads for 2, 3, & 4 bay hoppers and
a GN Hotbox Reefer car.
CB&Q Bill
Some dealer could do a special run for a CB&Q 4-8-2 Mountain ?
@Big Jim posted:Did Ryan & Dave do a show today about this catalog? If so, how do I find it?
@Arthur posted:Some dealer could do a special run for a CB&Q 4-8-2 Mountain ?
I think if they took the colors and headlight configuration from the Tennessee Central one, and the placement of the bell in relation to the smoke stack/dome from the T&P one, it would make for a great CB&Q Class B-1 Mountain for sure!
I don't have a GG1 (although I always admired it), and I try my best to stick with "modern" equipment, but I sure do like the idea of a purposely-tooled Amtrak power car. Did anyone else make a power car?
@Rider Sandman posted:The link from Lionel took me to a catalog with the PolEx on the cover. I clicked on it and there are no PolEx offerings. Weird. I’m using Chrome for iOS. Maybe the link is bad???
You're clicking on the 2024 V1 catalog, not 2024 V2 catalog.
I would be in for a special run of a NKP Mountain (e.g., NKP #846). I realize the Legacy version (with a coal tender) wouldn’t be a perfect match for an ex-N&W Water Buffalo, but the 3rd Rail version from 20+ years ago is as rare as hen’s teeth and probably not on the rerun list anytime soon.
@Frank Mulligan posted:You're clicking on the 2024 V1 catalog, not 2024 V2 catalog.
Thanks, Frank. I should have made a note that my comment was tongue-in-cheek. I found v2. I just found it odd they put the PolEx on the cover of a catalog that had no PolEx in it.
Wow, now this is a great catalog, lots of things to consider, (one being a second mortgage), just kidding, but seeing the aluminum passenger cars return is a giant step in the right direction. I have only reviewed the IPad version, waiting on the real catalog. Thank you Lionel for the fantastic innovations… Happy Railroading Everyone
@Racetrack Route Joe posted:I think if they took the colors and headlight configuration from the Tennessee Central one, and the placement of the bell in relation to the smoke stack/dome from the T&P one, it would make for a great CB&Q Class B-1 Mountain for sure!
@Racetrack Route Joe & @Arthur
The two hobby shops with a recent history of custom run CB&Q steam engines are
and
Per the steam roster list on BRHS’s website, CB&Q 4-8-2 mountains had road numbers 7000-7020.
I will order one if it is offered.
CB&Q Bill
