Random Photos of Trolley Cars

IT Class B

 

Illinois Terminal Trolley

PRT Strikers Burn Trolley....

 

 

mwb posted:

PRT Strikers Burn Trolley....

 

 

According to Harold E. Cox's "Early Electric Cars Of Philadelphia 1885-1911", that was 1471, a 20-foot single truck Laclede closed car built for Philadelphia Traction Company in 1895, burned at 5th and Allegheny on 20 February 1910.

Mitch

The Dayton, Covington & Piqua Railway of Ohio

The picture above is the inspiration for this mural which is at the same intersection today, Main Street & Union Road, Englewood, Ohio.

I have a fascination with interurbans like these. In the days of the interurban, Ohio and Indiana were the king states for these cars.

First Cars On The Detroit, Almont & Northern Railway, Almont , Michigan, July 1914Niles Built Cars @ Norwalk Interurban Station 1909. Perhaps Lake Shore Electric Co.?????First Passenger Interurban to Bellefontaine, Ohio on July 1, 1908

Union Traction Interurban No. 407 in Wabash, Indiana

PRT Work car W-15......need a real under the floor drive (Q-Car?) to build a model of this car....

Bobby Ogage posted:

I have a fascination for the trolley lines that operated in Saratoga, New York. A few weeks ago I visited the old trolley depot which still stands in excellent condition, in use as the visitors center. Around the back of the building, the original canopies that the trolley cars entered still stand. After searching for a long time, I finally found a picture of the depot with trolley cars.

The trolley cars in the pictures belong to the Hudson Valley Railway and the Schenectady Railway Co.

It appears the photos of the depot were taken from Franklin, between Congress Street and West Circular Drive. Cars from this depot went north to Wilton, Glen Falls and Lake George, southwest to Ballston Spa and Schenectady, south to the Albany Capital District and Troy. There were branch lines to the race track and Kandeross Park.

Perhaps a local railroader can shed some info about this trolley depot. Below are some of the cars that ran into the Saratoga Depot.

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Bobby Ogage,

I dug up my Saratoga maps and brochures but couldn't locate my architecture books. Sadly, the brochures have no photos but here's some historical information paraphrased from an undated packet I picked up at the "Urban Cultural Park" a/k/a the Trolley Station -- maybe in the 1980's? 90's?

It was built in 1915 for the Hudson Valley Railway Co.  It is a stucco building in the Beaux Arts style and was designed by Ludlow  & Peabody, NYC.  (The leaflet goes on to describe the columns and ceilings.)

Bas-relief murals on the front show Sir William Johnson, who legend says was cured at High Rock Spring, and the surrender of General John Burgoyne in 1777.   By 1915, the Saratoga Springs trolley system "had already reached its zenith" with 35 trips daily from 1914-16.  A belt-line service existed on the east-side of the city and other routes went to Glens Falls and Schenectady. The most popular trip was to Kaydeross Park at Saratoga Lake. The trolley co had a restaurant, pool, merry-go-round, casino, and theater.  Local routes were abandoned after 1926 (rise in autos) but service to Schenectady run until 1941.

When you were visiting the building perhaps you saw the "chestnut benches, brass chandeliers and trolley platform area".  In 1941, NY State converted the building into a 'drink hall' where the state sold bottled mineral waters from a bar. I don't remember whether the murals are still there (yes?), but apparently the electric icebox behind the bar was still present when I visited.  Another brochure says that the drink hall continued into the 1950s.  That brochure also says that the building "Began as a trolley station in 1776".  Uh, right ...

One of the larger maps that I have shows what looks like a spur from the Delaware & Hudson from the line to the west of the city going very near the trolley station.

Tomlinson Run Railroad

Thanks for the history of the trolley station in Saratoga Springs. The Delaware & Hudson Railroad gave trackage rights to the Schenectady Railway to access the Saratoga Springs station, so this explains the siding.

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Atlanta Georgia, 1940

M&SC @ Montreal's McGill Street TerminalMemphis, Tennessee 1979Philadelphia & Western Car @ Penn's Landing, 1990

Current Picture of Car In Philadelphia, Pa

Car In Philadelphia, PaThird Avenue Railway Car in Kennebunk Museum

Lets see your color photos of street cars and interurbans.

Bobby Ogage posted:

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Car In Pittsburgh, Pa

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Hi Bobby:

Nice photos but are you sure that Route 79 green & white car #4043 is from “Pittsburgh, PA”?  If so, can you please provide more info on it?

Thanks,

Bill

WftTrains posted:

Bobby Ogage posted:

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Car In Pittsburgh, Pa

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Hi Bobby:

Nice photos but are you sure that Route 79 green & white car #4043 is from “Pittsburgh, PA”?  If so, can you please provide more info on it?

Thanks,

Bill

He (Bobby) is incorrect.  That is a Philadelphia PA., 4000 series streetcar of the Phila. Transportation Company (see the PTC Logo on car side under 2nd window) on route 79 in the early to mid 1950's "simplified modernized" paint scheme.

 

Seems more people post and look at photos on this endless thread of all these various prototype trolleys than actually do any hands-on construction and modeling of trolleys - and posting their photos of such modeling efforts, in this subways-traction forum section !!

regards - Joe F

 

 

 

 

 

Joseph Frank posted:

WftTrains posted:

Bobby Ogage posted:

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Car In Pittsburgh, Pa

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Hi Bobby:

Nice photos but are you sure that Route 79 green & white car #4043 is from “Pittsburgh, PA”?  If so, can you please provide more info on it?

Thanks,

Bill

Bill

Bill, he is incorrect.  That is a Philadelphia PA., 4000 series streetcar of the Phila. Transportation Company (see the PTC Logo on car side under 2nd window) on route 79 in the early to mid 1950's "simplified modernized" paint scheme.

 

Seems more people post and look at photos on this endless thread of all these various prototype trolleys than actually do any hands-on construction and modeling of trolleys - and posting their photos of such modeling efforts, in this subways-traction forum section !!

regards - Joe F 

Joe: 

Thanks for confirming what I thought as that car didn’t look familiar at all to this Pittsburgh streetcar enthusiast. 

Bill

Here is some info on the Third Avenue car #631 from the Kennebunkport Seashore Trolley Museum:

"...A number of the relatively new cars were sent to the rescue of the ravaged Vienna System under the Marshall Plan for the rebuilding of wartorn Western Europe. They served well on what is today one of the world's largest operating streetcar systems. No. 631, built in 1939 and renumbered 4216 in Vienna, came home to America and Seashore after new cars built in Austria began service in 1980." 

Technical Information:

Manufacturer: Third Ave. Ry. Co.
Year: 1939
Item Type: City and Suburban Streetcar
Description: Lightweight

Operation: Double-ended

Seats: 46

Control: K-35 (LB)

Trucks: 2 Brill 77E

Motors: 4 Westinghouse 510A

Brakes: Self Lapping

Compressor: CP-27

Length: 42' 7"

Width: 8' 4"

Height: 11' 4"

Weight: 37540 lbs.

 

Tom 

WftTrains posted:

Joseph Frank posted:

WftTrains posted:

Bobby Ogage posted:

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Car In Pittsburgh, Pa

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Hi Bobby:

Nice photos but are you sure that Route 79 green & white car #4043 is from “Pittsburgh, PA”?  If so, can you please provide more info on it?

Thanks,

Bill

Bill

Bill, he is incorrect.  That is a Philadelphia PA., 4000 series streetcar of the Phila. Transportation Company (see the PTC Logo on car side under 2nd window) on route 79 in the early to mid 1950's "simplified modernized" paint scheme.

 

Seems more people post and look at photos on this endless thread of all these various prototype trolleys than actually do any hands-on construction and modeling of trolleys - and posting their photos of such modeling efforts, in this subways-traction forum section !!

regards - Joe F 

Joe: 

Thanks for confirming what I thought as that car didn’t look familiar at all to this Pittsburgh streetcar enthusiast. 

Bill

I fixed the caption to a Philadelphia car. Thanks for the correction.

PRT Work Car Z-8

Maintenance cars.

Chicago, Aurora & Elgin Line Car 11

Milwaukee Electric Ry & Transport Co

Replacing Trolley Wire On The Hagerstown & Frederick In Maryland

 

PRT Emergency Car K-5

P&W Dump Car

Hershey Transit Construction Car 1933

I went to Hershey for many years to attend the AACA Hershey Region's car show, but I didn't take the time to investigate the Hershey Transit System. So today I did some research and these are photos I found. The Hershey trolley cars were painted a deep olive green and pale yellow.

Altoona & Logan Valley work flat motor

Wisconsin Traction Light, Heat & Power Co. of Appleton, WI Work flat with a load of gravel........and a few of the lads

Here are a few shots and a video from the Trolley Museum in Washington County PA...

Hey Google Image Searcher...I took these...saved you some time.

This Canadian tram is interesting in that it has no headlights. Some Canadian trams have a horizontal shield in front (you can see it on 1959 here) concealing a dozen tiny lightbulbs shining down at the track.

Wisconsin Traction Light, Heat & Power Co. of Appleton, WI Work flat

Thanks for the diagrams and info. I have a question for the trolley experts. The Pittsburgh PCC cars  had a long metal piece between the wheels that slid along just above the top of the rail. I was told year go that this was an electromagnetic brake that would clamp on the top of the rail. True ??

Yes. That was a track brake that could be lowered against the rail in an emergency.

The sliding brake between the wheels was also a primary service brake on some city trolley cars.

From repeated stopping at car stops, the rails would get bumpy from wear. This is one reason why trolley companies had rail grinders. Another reason was to smooth flash welds at rail joints.

 

Line car and a car with a load of ties

Oneonta, New York was a significant interurban hub borne out by the fact that many railways had Oneonta in the names. Here are some images of Oneonta rolling stock of the Oneonta, Cooperstown & Mohawk Valley, and the Oneonta & Mohawk Valley.

I am puzzled by the "United States Express" logo on the cars. Did tis mean they carried the US Mail?

Bobby Ogage posted:

I am puzzled by the "United States Express" logo on the cars. Did tis mean they carried the US Mail?

Yup!  And/or REA - Railway Express Agency 

Prior to World War One there were many regonal express companies. During the war they were consolidated into a single company and were run by the government, just like the railroads were. But at the end of the war, unlike the railroads, the express companies  were left consolidated under the name American Railway Express.  ARE went bankrupt within about 10 years and was sold by the bankruptcy court. It was purchased by a group of railroads and renamed Railway Express Agency. When you see names on cars like United States Express, this in an indication that the picture is from prior to WW1, when the express companies were consolidated. 

Single end dump car

That single end dump car could be made from an MTH Rail King operating log dump car.

Bobby Ogage posted:

That single end dump car could be made from an MTH Rail King operating log dump car.

 

Decent enough bit of raw materials to get a start with - have to scratch together that cab.

Or..........you could just start with the Ashland or Copetown kit. 

Building the car might be the easiest bit - a fully under the floor drive might be a bit of a challenge - 2 rail ones from Q-car will work, but 3-rail is something else....

"Building the car might be the easiest bit - a fully under the floor drive might be a bit of a challenge - 2 rail ones from Q-car will work, but 3-rail is something else...." NWSL Stanton drive

rex desilets posted:

 

NWSL Stanton drive

But, where do you get the sideframes and will this drive even accept them?

Seen in the Pittsburgh Rwys Castle Shannon Car Yard