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A friend gave me a batch of old HO freight cars rescued from an estate close-out. I think most of these cars are probably MDC, but I'm really not familiar with their products that far back. Presume these are 1950's items, maybe late 1940's?

The first three photos show cars which are all of the same manufacture: the frame, body parts and roof-walk are all die-cast parts. The boxcar frames all have the number FB-101, the gondola frame shows FG-101. These frames all have three air brake components applied as separate castings underneath. Ladder bottom rungs at the car corners are wire, ladders up the sides and ends are cast on. The paint jobs appear to be original factory jobs. Some trucks and couplers have been changed/updated. The die-cast construction makes the cars rather heavy for HO items.

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Following photo shows a white D&RGW boxcar which appears to be MDC and is similar to MDC items I bought new beginning in the 1970's. It has a plastic floor and plastic shell, die-cast frame is numbered FB-101A and has the air brake parts cast on instead of separately applied. The corner rungs are part of the plastic body. This one item shows an evolution from die-cast parts to more plastic. I believe the trucks are Central Valley, not original MDC.

So my question here is, what is the time frame for all-die-cast MDC cars as shown above?

When did MDC transition to plastic body shells?

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Last two pics show three boxcars of a different make. They each have a wood floor base, sheet metal ends and sides and doors, pressed steel frame components, separately applied ladders and rungs, die-cast roof walkway, and die-cast non-operating knuckle couplers. One car has a loose end panel and I left it hanging out to show how it's a separate part. Are these cars early Athearn?

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The Erie boxcar appears to have stamped sheet brass sides. The AT&SF cars look like steel.

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I don't expect that any of these cars are particularly valuable. I'm just interested in the history and evolution of older model trains.

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I ran HO back around 1970 (late sixties?). I saw cars with metal at the local hobby store (Ace Hobby shop), but did not own any. They look like the one in your middle pic. Some cars back then could cost a couple dollars?

 I used to have a very small allowance and bought only cheaper all plastic cars for around 50 cents if I remember correctly? I know that when they went up to around a dollar a car, my dad stated that I didn't need many more!

I bet I had less than 2 dozen, at the very most.

Engineer Joe,

In the early 1970's I was buying mostly blue-box Athearn cars for generally $1.98 each. MDC cars cost somewhat more and I bought fewer of them, just if it was a roadname I liked that was different from what Athearn had. Those cars have mostly plastic parts and they are what I'm most familiar with in HO. Athearn was my favorite for quality and value and good reliable standards, MDC a close second.

The items shown above just happened to come my way without even looking! I suspect they are at least 10-15 years older than the oldest HO items that I bought new.

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I think I had two Athearn cars later on before I quit. ('71-72?) They were the very large box cars like Lionel released in O last year. They wouldn't work on my tiny layout. Curves were too sharp. Smaller equipment yanked them off the rails.

 It's funny to think now, that even I thought then, (agreeing with my Dad)  that a couple of dollars was a lot! I stopped with trains as both my parents thought I was wasting money. They gave those trains to the grandson later on and then went to the garbage anyways.

  I didn't look at another toy train until around '01-02?? I bought a bunch of HO and struggled with my eyesight and those tiny details. I was building an proto HO hopper and struggling using tweezers for the end details. (My girl didn't like to hear the swearing when the parts fell off.)

  I switched to G. Without much available I got bored. I never considered building my own.

Then I looked at O....................... Ohhhh. Ahhh. Just right.

My heart's still in G. So I run both.

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The first group of box cars and gondola are Roundhouse diecast metal cars.  VERY nice cars, and I have about five on them that still run on my railroad.  Stand up very well against Accurail cars, which are the bulk of my freight car fleet. 

The fifth and sixth cars are Athearn metal cars.  Also very nice cars.  These were re-issued in the 1970s by a company called G.F. Menzies.  I still have a bunch of these to build at some point. 

Regards,

GNNPNUT

gnnpnut posted:

The first group of box cars and gondola are Roundhouse diecast metal cars.  VERY nice cars, and I have about five on them that still run on my railroad.  Stand up very well against Accurail cars, which are the bulk of my freight car fleet. 

The fifth and sixth cars are Athearn metal cars.  Also very nice cars.  These were re-issued in the 1970s by a company called G.F. Menzies.  I still have a bunch of these to build at some point. 

Regards,

GNNPNUT

Thanks very much for the info. Can you tell me the time frame during which those cars were made? I'm supposing they are mostly 1950's, some maybe older?

Ace posted:
gnnpnut posted:

The first group of box cars and gondola are Roundhouse diecast metal cars.  VERY nice cars, and I have about five on them that still run on my railroad.  Stand up very well against Accurail cars, which are the bulk of my freight car fleet. 

The fifth and sixth cars are Athearn metal cars.  Also very nice cars.  These were re-issued in the 1970s by a company called G.F. Menzies.  I still have a bunch of these to build at some point. 

Regards,

GNNPNUT

Thanks very much for the info. Can you tell me the time frame during which those cars were made? I'm supposing they are mostly 1950's, some maybe older?

My dad purchased a bunch of the Roundhouse cars before I was born.  He started model railroading shortly after the "Great South Pass" article came out in April 1956 (when I was still a twinkle in his eye  ).  He only had one Athearn metal car on his roster.  I think both lines go back to the late 1940s, but I'd have to spend some time looking thru old MR issues at the Athearn and Roundhouse ads.


Regards,

GNNPNUT

I found some interesting info about early HO kits and a couple pics which appear to be the same style as some of my items. I'm still interested to know when Athearn and MDC HO items converted to plastic body shells. I assume it was in the late 1940's to early 1950's period.

http://www.oldmodelkits.com/bl...lution-of-the-1940s/

http://www.oldmodelkits.com/bl...elopment-in-the-usa/

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Athearn metal-sided boxcar and MDC kit with die-cast body parts, from link above.

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