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Don,
Did the NY red striped tender come as part of a set with a big red steamer that looks somewhat like a Commodore?
Mannyrock
@Mannyrock posted:Don,
Did the NY red striped tender come as part of a set with a big red steamer that looks somewhat like a Commodore?
Mannyrock
The red tender with the orange stripe actually came in one of the very low end Marx sets, #5610.
Steve
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I'll cross post this topic here if it helps any of you to see the benefits of a 3-D printer for hard to find toy train parts...
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Tom
Greetings friends With the acquisition of my latest Kibri 52-43 I think I've come to the end of adding new major buildings to my layout. The 52-43 was made in 1935 only, the year I was born. I think it is a wonderful piece and hope you will agree. I'm also enclosing a photo of the new look towards the East showing the Kibri 52-3, 52-15, 52-43 , the Marklin 2012B, and the Cabo 718-21.
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OK its been a BIG week at Casa Fatmanos ... ( nothing to match the splediforous, amazing , not an inch to spare @lewrail layout tho ! Wonderful Lew !)
And I am apologising in advance for crappy photos lol .. why O why cant sellers take good photos?!
Anyhoo first up is one I have wanted for quite a while a fairly early Hornby "Long Splasher" nut and bolt engined No1 locomotive from C1921-27
Not pristine by any means but it fits my " tiny arms deep pockets " budget 
I have to research this a little more to 100% date it , but I am thinking it is an early 1924-5 season loco due to the 5 banding boiler lines and the lined splasher , but as it retains the nut and bolt motor I feel fairly safe in saying its an early 1924 model
I also went out on a limb and collected two more early OO clockwork locos to the stable ... one is easy to identify as it is clearly a JRA ( Allard ) from France late 40's-50's and correct wagon for it
The next one is an UBER mystery and it was bought from the same French seller as the Allard but he has no clue as to what it is listing it as Bing/Marklin? whatever LOL! .. but both of them were small enough to fit in the same postage cost so it for sure was coming to pay me a visit ... he guessed it was 40's to 50's but part of me is thinking perhaps earlier ... it kinda made the hair stick up on the back of my neck and really the Allard was the KNOWN factor , but it was the following loco I HAD to have ...
It's one of those frustrating locos where you think it has the name in the litho, but Noooooo its random gobbledygook to throw you off when you zoom in on it ..
Again apologies for the photo quality , but its all I got at the moment !
I am hoping maybe the KEY will reveal all as it has "Something" embossed on it but even with the crappy photos the litho smacks of quality to me with the intricate stamping and lining .. all in OO scale remember ?
The Mech is not the fanciest , tho nor is it crappy ,with decent cut gears but the wheels are a solid nice casting too
It just kinda screams quality to me , but I have been wrong before ... any ideas @Arne or @FRENCHTRAINS
I will mail pics to Fred and see what he thinks but you guys always get first looksies lol 
Edit .. should point out the mystery loco and the JRA were both sourced in France ...
@Fatman posted:The next one is an UBER mystery and it was bought from the same French seller as the Allard but he has no clue as to what it is listing it as Bing/Marklin? whatever LOL! .. but both of them were small enough to fit in the same postage cost so it for sure was coming to pay me a visit ... he guessed it was 40's to 50's but part of me is thinking perhaps earlier ... it kinda made the hair stick up on the back of my neck and really the Allard was the KNOWN factor , but it was the following loco I HAD to have ...
It's one of those frustrating locos where you think it has the name in the litho, but Noooooo its random gobbledygook to throw you off when you zoom in on it ..
Again apologies for the photo quality , but its all I got at the moment !
Hello Fatman,
no problem, that´s easy.
Made by Karl Bub only 1938-1939.
Here a picture from Catalog 1939
Arne
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@Arne I could kiss you !!! ( but you are very glad I cannot ! )
Thank you so much your Knowledge and resources are so, so, SO appreciated .. I would buy you a beer if you were close my friend
I even searched many tischbahn sites and that reference never showed ... Thank God for Arne !
( For those interested there is a page I found now that @Arne provided the KB ... https://www.altemodellbahnen.d...usweichbahn-von.html )
Edit adding ... http://shanghaidelberg.de/karl...0/body_karlbub00.htm
and
https://translate.google.com/t...niatur-uhrwerkbahnen
( I think I am a little in love with this one , even tho I am yet to see it ...
)
Last week on Ebay, 4 cheap locomotives as "buy it now". Many had looked at the offer, but I think, no one had recognized the green locomotive below.
This locomotive belongs to the rare Issmayer boot train from 1908
There is a picture in the Gamages London catalog
Arrived yesterday
I had a matching tender, but in wrong color and a matching coach.
Arne
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Thank you Fatman for the kind words about my layout. Today for the first time in over 15 months I had a couple of vaccinated friends over to see the trains. Hope all of the O Gauge Forum guys survived the Covid year without too much physical or psychological damage.
Lew Schneider
L
A video from Tuesday evening from the Roanoke Valley Model Railroad Club.
Scott Smith
Very nice Hornby loco @Fatman
I would say 1926-27 period. Here is an original set from end of 1926 to 1927. same loco but in green, this set was also available in LMS livery as yours. The black one was intended to be used with freight cars.
Arne is always on the hunt and always find interesting pieces, I would also have enjoy to find that neglected green loco...
Finally @Fatman if one day you have the opportunity to visit Lew's collection you will see something great, a great selection of rare Hornby models in great condition and so many other things, I had the privilege to visit Lew some years ago and I have been impressed with his display cabinets and layouts, Lew and his wife where very nice to meet.
Have a great weekend, Daniel
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@mannyrock - I am sorry that I did not catch your question from last week. Thank goodness for Steve Eastman's expertise and information about set #5610. Candidly without an example to see, my set reference would have been of little help because while it lists the 551 with a lithographed top it does not specify color. I do know that the red 551 NYC "band type" marking in an orange band was made from 1950-1953. Thanks Steve for the help on answering this question and for providing me with the information as well.
Best Regards
Don
@Don McErlean posted:@mannyrock - I am sorry that I did not catch your question from last week. Thank goodness for Steve Eastman's expertise and information about set #5610. Candidly without an example to see, my set reference would have been of little help because while it lists the 551 with a lithographed top it does not specify color. I do know that the red 551 NYC "band type" marking in an orange band was made from 1950-1953. Thanks Steve for the help on answering this question and for providing me with the information as well.
Best Regards
Don
I have seen that set with the black tender also.
Steve
@Fatman postedK its been a BIG week at Casa Fatmanos ...
Interesting group of trains. Looking forward to some proper pictures of the details once you lay hands on them.
@Arne posted:This locomotive belongs to the rare Issmayer boot train from 1908
There is a picture in the Gamages London catalog
Arrived yesterday
Arne
Amazing find and amazing condition for a 1908 train . I'm curious about that metal sphere in the cab is that the on/off lever for the clockwork mechanism ?
Ahhh Daniel @FRENCHTRAINS, I fear if I ever paid Lew @lewrail a visit , he might have an unwanted house guest for MONTHS and MONTHS !!! Even longer if Mrs Lew is a great cook LOL!
The dating on the No2 Hornby does worry me a little .. I went earlier because of the motor having the nut and bolt sideplates but after looking again at Graebe I see examples as late as 1928 as having the nut bolt motor , LMS livery was introduced to the No2 range in 1924-5 , and 25-26 marked the slightly larger cut-outs for the siderods in the main chassis valance ... so looking again at mine with all the above considered its def in the 1925-27 range 
The defining characteristic when it arrives in hand will be if the brass boiler dome is 2 lug or 4 lug attaching it ...I cant 100% see in the pics .. the painting of the chassis and boiler the same colour also dates it as 1925 on
However it pales in comparison to your wonderful boxed set Daniel ... what a treasure !
I have the Pullmans in the collection but no 2711 tender sadly ... and they are not cheap if/when you find them lol so it might have to put up with a later cousin until I find one I can afford
Fatman and all other O Gauge Forum members. If you should find yourself coming to Boston, please let me know so we can arrange a visit to my collection. We have just lifted the Covid restriction. If you've had your vaccination shots we'd love to see you. I know that some of you were able to come by on the TCA convention trip a couple of years ago. It was very crowded then and there were time constraints, so you might want to make another trip.
New photos. I now have another Carette GWR coach to join one which came from the late Mike Cann's collection . Mike's had a good roof, but terrible sides. My new one hd a repainted roof and pretty good sides. Swap roofs and here's what I ended up with. The two Carettes are pulled by my Bing late 4-4-0.
Lew Schneider
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@G-Man24 posted:Amazing find and amazing condition for a 1908 train . I'm curious about that metal sphere in the cab is that the on/off lever for the clockwork mechanism ?
when the train has entered the ship, the wire is pushed under the locomotive and this metal sphere is raised. The brake is then applied.
When the ship arrives on the other side, the wire below is released and the metal sphere falls down under its own weight and the train continues.
Arne
Those looking at my messages recently have seen that almost all of the fotos focus on the operating layout. But, in a second room is my "office museum". From time to time I've posted the "Wall of Trains" and the Fireplace Display from this room. Today I'd like to share with you the North Wall Display which now includes from the right -- 3 Bing and 1 Cabo station, my collection of Minic buses and railway vans, and in the upper left corner my Western Hobbycraft trolleys. You might also note the relatively rare Minic blue and cream double decker and the custom flags I had made for the Bing 10/236 sandstone station.
Lew Schneider
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@Arne posted:when the train has entered the ship, the wire is pushed under the locomotive and this metal sphere is raised. The brake is then applied.
When the ship arrives on the other side, the wire below is released and the metal sphere falls down under its own weight and the train continues.
ArneFantastic bit of mechanical ingenuity. I wonder if any of those layouts with the water survived.
Fantastic bit of mechanical ingenuity. I wonder if any of those layouts with the ship have survived...
@G-Man24 posted:Fantastic bit of mechanical ingenuity. I wonder if any of those layouts with the ship have survived...
Hello Gerry,
yes one of them is in the Issmayer book from Michael Bowes. You can see a complete previev of the book at Blurb.
The boat train is on the pages 134/135
Arne
Wow, tinplate folks what a week. Arnie...I have a small book on Issmayer and it does mention the "boat train" but only shows the illustration you had in your post, candidly I never thought I would ever see any part of it in real life. What a find, thank you for posting. Fatman - great Hornby long splasher loco with nut and bolt motor and the two clockwork 00 engines especially the box cab were just fantastic. Daniel your green long spasher in the box with the matching coaches - wow! And Lewrail - what a fantastic layout. Super! Thanks again to all for the pictures.
My contribution today is almost trivial by comparison, however it does extend a little sequence I have been on lately to gather up some pre-war (?) signals and signs. This one is an official MYSTERY as it contains no indication of its maker. It is most likely pre-war (no electronics, no plastics, manually operated) but it is not marked with either a country of origin or its maker.
I suspect it to be American Flyer (Chicago Flyer) due to a comparison of the base with some other pre-war Flyer signals posted on this thread a few weeks ago. The diameter and rise of the "dish" at the bottom of the stalk is identical. The color is also very similar but color changes with age so I doubt that means much. ANYONE (NWL, GregTunitti,etc ) who has added signals and information on these things to my earlier posts please comment if you have seen this before.
It is a very simplistic (but cute! ) RR crossing sign. In the first picture the "lights" are not lit and so it would be a "go". In the second picture, the red lights are "lit" and it would be a stop. The change from open to red is affected by a red painted screen or flat piece of sheet metal that is slid, via quite an arrangement of levers in the rear, down to block the holes and show through. The center top of the staff was painted red (now worn off) and did not appear to have any lettering and the identification "Railroad Crossing" is lettered below the cross bar.
Any and all help in identifying this Warning Sign (Crossing Sign) would be most appreciated.
Best wishes for a great week
Don
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@Don McErlean posted:Wow, tinplate folks what a week. Arnie...I have a small book on Issmayer and it does mention the "boat train" but only shows the illustration you had in your post, candidly I never thought I would ever see any part of it in real life. What a find, thank you for posting. Fatman - great Hornby long splasher loco with nut and bolt motor and the two clockwork 00 engines especially the box cab were just fantastic. Daniel your green long spasher in the box with the matching coaches - wow! And Lewrail - what a fantastic layout. Super! Thanks again to all for the pictures.
My contribution today is almost trivial by comparison, however it does extend a little sequence I have been on lately to gather up some pre-war (?) signals and signs. This one is an official MYSTERY as it contains no indication of its maker. It is most likely pre-war (no electronics, no plastics, manually operated) but it is not marked with either a country of origin or its maker.
I suspect it to be American Flyer (Chicago Flyer) due to a comparison of the base with some other pre-war Flyer signals posted on this thread a few weeks ago. The diameter and rise of the "dish" at the bottom of the stalk is identical. The color is also very similar but color changes with age so I doubt that means much. ANYONE (NWL, GregTunitti,etc ) who has added signals and information on these things to my earlier posts please comment if you have seen this before.
It is a very simplistic (but cute! ) RR crossing sign. In the first picture the "lights" are not lit and so it would be a "go". In the second picture, the red lights are "lit" and it would be a stop. The change from open to red is affected by a red painted screen or flat piece of sheet metal that is slid, via quite an arrangement of levers in the rear, down to block the holes and show through. The center top of the staff was painted red (now worn off) and did not appear to have any lettering and the identification "Railroad Crossing" is lettered below the cross bar.
Any and all help in identifying this Warning Sign (Crossing Sign) would be most appreciated.
Best wishes for a great week
Don
Flyer, but don’t recall the model number.
Steve
Steve: Thank you for responding! I searched my Lionel, Mike Bowes books on UK trains, Hornby, Marx and Ives reference material and could not find it. Thus my suspicion it was Chicago Flyer...this is the one "hole" I have in my reference material, almost no data on early Flyer accessories (cars, locos, etc but not accessories). Thank you for the information.
Don
@Don McErlean posted:Wow, tinplate folks what a week. Arnie...I have a small book on Issmayer and it does mention the "boat train" but only shows the illustration you had in your post, candidly I never thought I would ever see any part of it in real life. What a find, thank you for posting. Fatman - great Hornby long splasher loco with nut and bolt motor and the two clockwork 00 engines especially the box cab were just fantastic. Daniel your green long spasher in the box with the matching coaches - wow! And Lewrail - what a fantastic layout. Super! Thanks again to all for the pictures.
My contribution today is almost trivial by comparison, however it does extend a little sequence I have been on lately to gather up some pre-war (?) signals and signs. This one is an official MYSTERY as it contains no indication of its maker. It is most likely pre-war (no electronics, no plastics, manually operated) but it is not marked with either a country of origin or its maker.
I suspect it to be American Flyer (Chicago Flyer) due to a comparison of the base with some other pre-war Flyer signals posted on this thread a few weeks ago. The diameter and rise of the "dish" at the bottom of the stalk is identical. The color is also very similar but color changes with age so I doubt that means much. ANYONE (NWL, GregTunitti,etc ) who has added signals and information on these things to my earlier posts please comment if you have seen this before.
It is a very simplistic (but cute! ) RR crossing sign. In the first picture the "lights" are not lit and so it would be a "go". In the second picture, the red lights are "lit" and it would be a stop. The change from open to red is affected by a red painted screen or flat piece of sheet metal that is slid, via quite an arrangement of levers in the rear, down to block the holes and show through. The center top of the staff was painted red (now worn off) and did not appear to have any lettering and the identification "Railroad Crossing" is lettered below the cross bar.
Any and all help in identifying this Warning Sign (Crossing Sign) would be most appreciated.
Best wishes for a great week
Don
Don,
You are correct, it is an American Flyer, the number of which escapes me at the moment. You have the earlier version which has the rod to move the hidden red parts. The later ones do not have the moveable rod.
NWL
@Nation Wide Lines posted:Don,
You are correct, it is an American Flyer, the number of which escapes me at the moment. You have the earlier version which has the rod to move the hidden red parts. The later ones do not have the moveable rod.
NWL
Model 223 in the 1932 catalog.
Steve
#223 it is:
And it comes in two colors:
Sorry for the fuzzy photo
And the green version comes with and without the activating rods.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Greg, NWL, Steve : Fantastic - what a response, THANK YOU! I now know that its #223, American Flyer, comes in green and blue, and the top where mine is long faded and gone once said "Danger" and its the earlier version with the rod to activate. WOW due entirely to you three, my knowledge of this little guy has really gone up.
Thank you all again for your response
Don
@Don McErlean posted:Greg, NWL, Steve : Fantastic - what a response, THANK YOU! I now know that its #223, American Flyer, comes in green and blue, and the top where mine is long faded and gone once said "Danger" and its the earlier version with the rod to activate. WOW due entirely to you three, my knowledge of this little guy has really gone up.
Thank you all again for your response
Don
Actually, per Greg's catalog image, I see that I was wrong in saying that it is the earlier version. There are two descriptions in that image, one is the 223 which has the operating lever and the other, which is described as "same as above, but without operating lever" is the 203.
Oh, and the color does not have anything to do with it being a 203 or 223. I have both the 203 and 223 in green.
NWL
NWL: Thank you for pointing that out...my mental computer is "updating" as we speak 
Don
sure miss doing bigger shows. So many happy faces.
https://youtu.be/HwuhJ_xdFvs
Steve
Anybody know anything about the blimp hanger in "Papa's" video?
Charlie
@CPC posted:Anybody know anything about the blimp hanger in "Papa's" video?
Charlie
It’s by Tucher & Walter. This one is actually a locomotive shed, but repurposed. They did make a blimp hanger with a different name on it.
Steve
Great to see the clockwork get a run Steve !!! even some Technofix 
I love the Blimp Hanger as well
However I feel I have let the team down this week ... with NOTHING new at Casa Fatmanos 
( its a sad sad time )
Here have a sad lonely Schuco Clockwork mouse as a compensatory post
He's in remakable nick for his age and the abuse most suffered .....
@Arne posted:A few news in the collection.
Beckh train indicator from around 1940.
Arne
Great piece. Love the corrugated roof and other details in it and the fact that it has a lamp to illuminate the map/schedule.
Like our friend FM I have nothing new to offer this week . However, I was moving some "stuff" around to store it for the summer months and it struck me how well these two items play well together.
The Lionel mountain backdrops you see were not sold with the Scenic Park (1932-33) in the foreground they actually belong to the earlier Scenic Railway layout (1924-1928) but it would have made a nice combination for someone looking for "right- out-of-the-box" landscaping. Lay some Standard Gage track around it and you were ready to go !
Could this be considered early "kit bashing" ? :-)
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