any New Haven fans ....

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Apples55 posted:

Putnam Division posted:

 

Pete

Well, someone just took the hot tub time machine back to New York circa the 1960’s!!! New Haven, Penn Central, and NYC all in one shot. All that’s missing is a Hellgate Bridge!!! Nice video Peter.

P.S. Are those NYC cars the Lionel aluminum 1980’s vintage??? Look good.

The NYC cars and ABA are from the 1983 MPC offering....the 20th Century Ltd.

The the sleeper and diner were later add-ons....

Peter

Thanks Peter... thought they looked familiar. I always found the smooth sides to be most attractive.

Brian's picture was taken on the tracks of the Railroad Museum of New England in Thomaston, Connecticut. The line was built by the Naugatuck Railroad and eventually acquired by the New Haven Railroad.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

A great photo from my Facebook feed today... the caption reads:

”An A-B-A set of freight diesels at Cedar Hill Engine Terminal, New Haven, Connecticut, June 5, 1949. Built by Alco-GE as part of an order of 30 units. (Lawson Hill)”

Sorry, but I don't have a New Haven FA A-B-A in the orange color scheme.

briansilvermustang posted:

 July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

This EP-3 model sits in a display case on my desk.

MELGAR

Say what you will, but the New Haven Railroad in the McGuiness era was willing to try new things.

MELGAR

I have to agree with you about "new things" with one exception: IMO those ugly paint schemes. I know color is a matter of taste, but I preferred the traditional green/gold.

Apples55 posted:

A great shot from my Facebook feed today... the caption reads:

Former CDOT FL9M #2026 leads Cape Cod Central Railroad's Coastal Excursion train into West Barnstable (MA) Station.

New Haven FL-9 2043 passes the grade crossing on my 10’-by-5’ layout.

MELGAR

New Haven Railroad Fairbanks-Morse CPA-24-5 #793 - model by MTH with Atlas O 60-foot passenger cars on my 10'-by-5' layout.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Say what you will, but the New Haven Railroad in the McGuiness era was willing to try new things.

MELGAR

Too willing IMO !!  In the fall of '55, Mr McG decided that since there were no more steam engines, the railroad no longer needed enginehouses.  That was my freshman year in college in Boston living near New York.  Then comes a cold snowy winter.  Last Friday before Christmas, one of the big travel days, verryy cccold.;  Went down to South station with plenty of time to make the 4:00 train to New York.  Got on the 3:00pm train which had been waiting for power.  Arrived in NY over seven hours later on a 4:30 schedule - probably the highest ever passenger-hours lost to power failures.  I don't think the locomotive maintenance people were ready for working outdoors in the winter.   I'm all for new ideas, but first check the facts !!!  

Apples55 posted:

Another one from my Facebook feed - I really don’t know how I feel about them... definitely different!!!

The caption reads:

”New Haven 140, the Roger Williams.

The Roger Williams was a streamlined, six car, lightweight, DMU passenger train, built by the Budd Company in 1956 for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. The train ran between Boston, Massachusetts and Washington, DC. The train was based on Budd's successful RDC DMU cars. The end two cars were equipped with streamlined locomotive style cabs and noses, resembling those on the Fairbanks-Morse P-12-42 Diesel locomotives. The four intermediate cars lacked operating controls and cabs”

Under the New Haven Railroad, the Roger Williams first ran between Boston and New York City and later to Springfield, Massachusetts but never to Washington, DC. After the demise of the New Haven Railroad in 1969, one of the cars ran in commuter service in the Washington, DC area. Facebook is posting interesting pictures of the NYNH&HRR.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

They were built for the Virginian then acquired by the Norfolk & Western until being sold to the New Haven and then to Penn Central and ending their careers on Conrail. Williams made a creditable model of these although the body is slightly tall to accommodate the vertical motors.

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

New Haven FL-9 #2043 running on my 12’-by-8’ layout completed in 2004.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

 

 

The caption reads:

”FL9 no. 2000 coming through Woodlawn milepost 12 pulling the Mayflower to GCT. Year unknown probably around 1960”.

Paul,

Nice photo.

So, here is the FL9 and its train going under the Nereid Ave bridge...in the distance is the flyover which carries southbound New Haven trains over and onto the New York Central's trackage, joining the Central's Harlem Division right here.

Here is the flyover:

Tom 

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (

MELGAR

Melgar a very nice layout and that FL9! What size curves did you have ?

Seacoast posted:

MELGAR posted:

Melgar a very nice layout and that FL9! What size curves did you have ?

The 12'-by-8' layout has three separate sets of loops with passing sidings on the two outer loops. The curves on the three sets of loops are Atlas O-72, O-54 and O-36. There are ten-inch straight track sections and 1-3/4" straight sections inserted into the curves which expand the width of the outer loop to about 92 inches instead of 72 inches. The tracks beneath the bridges leading to the tunnels are just for parking trains and do not operate. The FL-9 is by Sunset/3rd Rail.

MELGAR

If anyone likes the FL9's, I would recommend, Diesels to Park Avenue. I would also recommend my own book, Metro-North's Hudson Line, Poughkeepsie to Oscawana. Excuse the self promotion! The first book covers FL9's mostly operating over New Haven trackage (if I recall correctly)...my book is limited to the Upper Hudson, after Metro-North absorbed them into their system.

Tom 

MNCW posted:

If anyone likes the FL9's, I would recommend, Diesels to Park Avenue. I would also recommend my own book, Metro-North's Hudson Line, Poughkeepsie to Oscawana. Excuse the self promotion! The first book covers FL9's mostly operating over New Haven trackage (if I recall correctly)...my book is limited to the Upper Hudson, after Metro-North absorbed them into their system.

Tom 

 

I’m sure Vol. II will have many more FL9’s... (sorry Tom - couldn’t resist)

But seriously... I picked up Tom’s book at the White Plains Train Show last December and it is a treasure trove of info and wonderful pictures from the steam era (some nice NYC action) to current diesels/electrics - well worth the price.

Thank you Paul! 

Tom

Apples55 posted:

Another Facebook gem... unfortunately in b&w. The caption reads:

”New York, New Haven & Hartford Alco No. 0773. Association of American Railroads, Washington, D.C. photo”.

Sunset/3^rd Rail New Haven Railroad ALCO PA1 0771 – MELGAR

I posted this on its own, but am taking Paul's good suggestion to re-post it here for better results:

Number 90 posted:

I'm curious as to whether New Haven ever completed repainting the Pullman-Standard postwar lightweight passenger cars (which featured fluted stainless steel siding with a hunter green window panel and letterboards) into the McGinnis red.  Are there any New Haven experts out there who would care to comment on whether any cars remained hunter green until Amtrak day?  Just curious.

Tom,

In "The New Haven Railroad in the McGinnis Era" by Mark J. Frattasio (2003) on page 134 is a photograph of a New Haven Pullman-Standard postwar streamlined stainless steel sheathed passenger car with fluted sides and the red-orange window band with modernized "NH" logo. Part of the caption states: "None of the New Haven's stainless steel sheathed passenger cars escaped getting the new image treatment. All of these cars got the new image colors and logo as a group during the summer of 1955."

I cannot now independently verify the accuracy of this statement and will post in this thread any further information that I find...

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

New Haven FL-9 #2043 running on my 12’-by-8’ layout completed in 2004.

 

MELGAR

This certainly was the “deal of the century” since the Virginian had paid about 200K per loco just a few years before!

Peter

MELGAR posted:

Apples55 posted:

Another Facebook gem... unfortunately in b&w. The caption reads:

”New York, New Haven & Hartford Alco No. 0773. Association of American Railroads, Washington, D.C. photo”.

Sunset/3^rd Rail New Haven Railroad ALCO PA1 0771 – MELGAR

Love that Hunter Green!

Peter

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

 

MELGAR

Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

Apples55 posted:

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

MELGAR

Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

The New Haven Railroad ran freight trains to the 65th Street Yard in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn from 1927 to 1968. Trains came off the New York Connecting Railroad (Hellgate Bridge), passed through Fresh Pond in Queens and ran on electrified trackage through Brooklyn to carfloats which carried freight cars to and from New Jersey.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

I hate to admit it, but I am beginning to like Facebook... well the train groups anyway!!! Here is another gem from my feed today... the caption reads:

“New Haven No. 322, a 1927 Baldwin-Westinghouse Electric at Danbury, Connecticut, on its way to Norwalk and then on to New York City. No. 322 was scrapped in 1958”.

This is a real beauty!!! For some reason, I love boxcabs.

Paul,

I've studiously avoided going on Facebook but your posts from that site are very interesting. The electrification between Norwalk and Danbury was shut down when electric motors such as this EP-2 were replaced by FL-9 diesel-electrics.

MELGAR

My brother and I are huge NHRR fans...our grandfather worked for the NH for 50 years and retired in the 50's.  Once he retired, he'd take us down to the Charles Street Roundhouse to see the engines and catch up with his work friends.  One fond memory was the day I was able to run the turntable with an engine on it...or at least the operator made me believe I was running it...many great memories of grandfather and the NHRR.  We've lost track of the pictures he had of the yard....hopefully the pics will pop up some day.

New Haven Railroad ALCO PA #0771 and three heavyweight passenger cars on my 12'-by-8' layout completed in 2004. The locomotive is by Sunset/3rd Rail and the cars are MTH Premier from the PS1 era.

MELGAR

In response to a question on another thread I posted the following:

There are two locations along the Northeast Corridor in Connecticut where the train passes along a beach. The most famous one is at Rocky Neck State Park in East Lyme, CT and was a frequent subject of photographers in the days of the New Haven Railroad. A short distance away, the tracks pass along a beach on Niantic Bay in Niantic, CT. I took the picture below of Rocky Neck Beach from an Amtrak train on the way to Boston... On a warm summer day it is jammed with beach goers.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

Those FL-9s look clean and have decent paint considering that the New Haven had been in bankruptcy for about 7 years when this photo supposedly was taken and only another 5 months or so remained until it was merged into Penn Central.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

I'm not sure how this photo was created but it is a very proficient piece of modeling and photography.

MELGAR

          thanks Melgar !

I think this New Haven checkerboard livery is very attractive, but my recollection is that it never existed on real New Haven trains. Is that true?

MELGAR posted:

Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

MELGAR

MELGAR;

I hesitate to point out that your FL-9 is as clean and spiffy as my pic  

But seriously, I was hunting around online and found that the 2033 was built 09/1960, so the photo may be a rare artifact of the one and only time the engine appeared in that condition!!! Here is a link to a page I found with info on NH engines...

http://rrpicturearchives.net/l...cture.aspx?id=225030

biscuitag97 posted:

Very intrigued by these new mountains being produced by lionel... 

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It's a nice model but not a new one. Mine was made around 2000. Lionel 6-28058.

MELGAR

Arnold,

Correct. This paint scheme was never used on a New Haven F-series diesel. The only ones they had were FL-9s in the McGinnis scheme. Rusty Traque provides the answer below...

MELGAR

Stopped by the NCTM in Spencer, NC today and got close to one of the residents.

Ron

Apples55 posted:

The latest gem from my Facebook feed today (really wish it was in color!!!)... the caption reads:

“New York, New Haven and Hartford Alco DL-109 No. 0751. The DL-109 had twin 6-cylinder ALCO 539T Diesel engines and was rated at 2,000 hp”.

MELGAR

Renumbered my NYC 4-6-0 to NH this morning. Used microscale decals. I know the numbering isn't perfect, but it looks good to me. I still have to figure out what to do with the number boards, I may just black them out. 

MTH New Haven EP-5 #371 with PS1 and BCR on my 12'-by-8' layout. A twenty year old model. Also MTH passenger cars. But no catenary...

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

MTH New Haven EP-5 #371 with PS1 and BCR on my 12'-by-8' layout. A twenty year old model. Also MTH passenger cars. But no catenary...

MELGAR

Great set! Great layout!

Peter