any New Haven fans ....

briansilvermustang posted:

Apples55 posted:

Looks like one of these odd-balls survived into the Amtrak days... from my Facebook feed today. The caption reads:

”Amtrak No. 27, formerly New Haven No. 140, built in February 1957, shown here at Springfield, Massachusetts, November 30, 1975”.

 

            ”Amtrak No. 27, formerly New Haven No. 140, built in February 1957                            

                    

The Roger Williams was a streamlined, six car, lightweight, DMU passenger train, built by the Budd Company in 1956 for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. The train was based on Budd's successful RDC DMU cars. The end two cars were equipped with streamlined locomotive style cabs and noses, resembling those on the Fairbanks-Morse P-12-42 Diesel locomotives. The four intermediate cars lacked operating controls and cabs.

For operation into Grand Central Terminal, the cars were each equipped with third-rail shoes, and small traction motors, allowing them to operate into the terminal under electric power, with their engines shut down.

After a short period of time in high speed service, the train was split up, and the cars were used in service with the New Haven's other RDCs. They worked for the New Haven, Penn Central, and Amtrak, until the last cars were retired in the 1980s. In the 1970s, Amtrak used several ex-Roger Williams cars on the New Haven–Boston Bay State.

 

NH #140 now sitting at Hobo RR in Lincoln New Hampshire. I took this photo this past Saturday.

ALCo DL-109 locomotives began arriving on the New Haven Railroad in 1941 and saw heavy use during World War 2 pulling main line passenger trains during the day and freight trains at night. New Haven DER-1 (Diesel-Electric-Road) #0719 is an old MTH model with PS2 and a BCR. I have always enjoyed listening to its ALCo engine startup sounds and its rough idle which can be heard on this video as the engine crosses the trestle and also as it enters the tunnel at about 14 miles-per-hour.

MELGAR

The Great Bridge during its hundredth-year in 2017. I grew up almost in its shadow. What an extraordinary accomplishment in engineering and construction!

MELGAR

New Haven I-4 4-6-2 #1389 - model by Weaver Quality Craft. I've posted this before.

MELGAR

Peter,

Thanks for posting. Those have to be the best photos on this very interesting thread.

MELGAR

Very interesting picture. First, I thought it was a model. Then I caught the Pennsy baggage car. Third, I guess I shouldn't be so anal about keeping the doors closed on my models.

Pat Kn posted:

Very interesting picture. First, I thought it was a model. Then I caught the Pennsy baggage car. Third, I guess I shouldn't be so anal about keeping the doors closed on my models.

Pat in this case is it a baggage car or a RPO car?  I can see open doors on a RPO car since there would be workers on board.

Ron

All except for the Scrap Yard are MTH Rail King.

I just recieved my CMX track cleaning car and was thinking of painting it as a New Haven MOW tank car. Does any one have a photo or photos of one that I might use as a template?

Hi:

I asked this on the GGD thread, but this clearly is a better venue...

I just received my GGD NH green heavyweights, they have gold lettering. Previous GGD heavyweights had white lettering.

What years did NH use gold lettering, what years white?

Cheers!

Jan

Apples55 posted:

Another Facebook gem... the NH had some good looking steamers. The rather brief caption reads:

”New Haven class I-5 Hudson”

Love it!

Peter

I cannot remember if I posted this before......this was given to me many years ago by another Forum member when he down-sized......

Peter

Putnam Division posted:

I cannot remember if I posted this before......this was given to me many years ago by another Forum member when he down-sized......

Peter

Peter (or others):

What does the "R.R.S." stand for in the upper right corner?  That's a new one on me.

Also, I think it's been longer than 5 days so you should probably return that to the NH.  

Steven J. Serenska

Took a quick check in my postal history sources but nothing yet. Of course if was a common RR abreviation in use it wouldn't be.

A quick check of my LIRR postal history turned up this. These seemed to be commonly used for requesting payment for shipments. As you can see it wasn't filled in on this cover but perhaps an enployee "borrowed" one for his personal use.

The placement on your cover looks like applying the stamp would have covered it up, a further mystery.

RR postal history can be fascinating. Pieces of history that you know actually were on that train.

If you start to get serious check out the Mobile Post Office Society, covers the history of mail carried on RR, trolley, buses and boats. Some very complete and detailed publications about the postmarks.

Paul

The line over the Hell Gate bridge interchanging with the LIRR was handled by the New Haven. Sometimes they went all the way to the float bridges in Bay Ridge. The LIRR that was usually third rail but they had some switchers that used the overhead to handle the work also. I believe they were BB-3, small paired box cab bodies (you'd like them).

New Haven Railroad 1945 Annual Report - cover and first page

MELGAR

Scotie posted:

Paul

The line over the Hell Gate bridge interchanging with the LIRR was handled by the New Haven. Sometimes they went all the way to the float bridges in Bay Ridge. The LIRR that was usually third rail but they had some switchers that used the overhead to handle the work also. I believe they were BB-3, small paired box cab bodies (you'd like them).

Thanks for the history, Scotie.

And yes... would like the BB3’s...

Apples55 posted:

I’m beginning to think the New Haven had the most interesting collection of paint schemes... this Facebook shot has two good ones... the caption reads:

”New Haven (NH) Alco FA's under the wires, location unknown, circa June 1959”.

Location is New Haven. The top of the station, built in 1920, can be seen just above the Alco FA.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

I’m beginning to think the New Haven had the most interesting collection of paint schemes... this Facebook shot has two good ones... the caption reads:

”New Haven (NH) Alco FA's under the wires, location unknown, circa June 1959”.

It would appear the New Haven had a high employee turnover rate among  paint shop foremen!!

Paul

Here you go MTH 20-5562-1

Brian,

That has to be your best post ever!

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Brian,

That has to be your best post ever!

MELGAR

@briansilvermustang;

Have to agree with MELGAR - that is an encyclopedic collection... and although he may not have them in those exact paint schemes, I’ll bet MELGAR probably has an example of almost all those engines   

Page 22 of this thread and it just gets better and better. Those of us who are captivated by the legend, lore and remarkable panoply of motive power of the NH owe a tremendous thanks to Briansilvermustang and Melgar for providing us with these images and context. I certainly hope they both turn their spotlight on the Maybrook Division and the heavy steam that dominated that route in its heyday. And oh yeah, MTH, please a PS3 I-5!

Sorry, I forgot to thank Apples55 too.

Apples55 has been doing a terrific job lately!

MELGAR

Great photos. Don't forget to see Melgar's article of his New Haven switch tower build in OGR.

Paul, Thanks for the start. The Maybrook division ran from Cedar Hill yard across Connecticut, Duchess County and the Hudson River at Poughkeepsie to interchange freight traffic with the Delaware and Hudson amongst others. During its height it featured big 8 and 10 coupled brutes to move the tonnage in and out of lower New England.

Apples55 posted:

”Winsted, Conn. around 1910 with what looks like a 4-4-0, a baggage car, a combine, and a coach.

Winsted was the end of the line for the Naugatuck RR and the old Central New England crossed through town on its way from Hartford to Canaan and eventually Maybrook, NY”.

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

I believe this picture shows a train and station of the Naugatuck Railroad in Winsted.

At the time of this picture, the Central New England Railroad ran through northern Connecticut (Winsted), entered New York State at Millerton, crossed the Hudson River on the Poughkeepsie bridge (built in 1888) and then went through Maybrook, NY. It provided a connection from New England to the west. The Central New England was merged into the New Haven in 1927. The Maybrook Line to which Tom refers ran through southern Connecticut from Cedar Hill Yard (2 miles east of the station in New Haven) to Naugatuck (now Devon) Junction, through Danbury, to the Poughkeepsie Bridge and Maybrook. This was the modern New Haven's freight route into New York State which had heavy steam engines (2-10-2 Santa Fe types) and later multiple unit diesels.

MELGAR

Weaver made a brass model of New Haven I-4 #1389.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

”Brand new NH 4-6-4 Class I-5 #1400, at Westerly, R.I. in March 1937 .... J. W. Swanberg Collection”.

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

Weaver also made a brass model of New Haven I-5 #1403.

MELGAR

Would love MTH to do an I-5!

Love the pics!

Peter

Guys...I have had to close this thread because we have been contacted by a legal firm informing us that quite a few photographs in this thread (and some others on the forum) are copyrighted.  Contrary to a firm that contacted us by certified mail a few months ago, this firm is giving an opportunity to delete the photos that are violating copyright....they have even provided the evidence.  The firm that contacted us earlier, did not do that and demanded lots of money which caused OGR to have our legal department get involved.  So...this thread is locked and now it is going to be up to you to go to your posts in the next few days and delete photos that you have copied from online sources....you must assume that all of those are copyrighted even if they do not have the watermarks.  If you don't take the time to do this, OGR will have to delete the entire thread as we don't have the resources to devote hours and hours to editing and correcting this problem.  As a reminder, our TOS warns against using copyrighted photos...we do not condone it.  If you want to start a thread about the New Haven and use non-copyrighted photos of real trains, then do so in the real trains forum.  Model New Haven trains are appropriate in this forum....this is also part of our TOS....use the correct categories for your postings.  Sorry guys and gals but OGR can not protect you from copyright legal actions which at least one of our forum members (an ex-member now) is going through...and it is going to cost thousands...so be very careful....!!

UPDATE:  Well, it seems that the forum software of which we have limited control, does not allow individuals to delete pictures or posts when it is closed.  If I leave it open, then there will be some folks that feel compelled to post their objections to all of this without regard to the real facts of the situation.  If we close the thread, then the entire topic will get deleted for the reasons stated above.  Since we have not been required at this point to delete the thread, I am going to take a chance and re-open it trusting that you all will continue to contribute but will go back in the next few days and make sure you have not posted copyrighted photos.  Lets see what happens....  Please be respectful....

Hello Everyone:

I just went back and deleted any photos that I posted in this thread where I had a doubt of their origin.  In all cases where I did this, I added this notation:

[Sorry; image removed to avoid potential copyright issues.  Contact me offline if you'd like a private copy.]

As the note says, if any of you would like a private copy of the original image, please contact me offline. 

If the photos remain on  a post I made, it's because I own the original slide, print, or NH brochure/poster from which the image was taken/scanned.

Steven J. Serenska

         I too have been going back and deleting photos, a lot of nice ones I ran across online

looking for info on things...  how do you know what photos that you can use that you run

across that do not have a copyright on them...        like you said Steven,

"Sad that this sort of thing has to happen"      as I thought we were all just sharing photos

and information on a great hobby we all like here...  some of which many people would never

see if not shared here,  not like we are selling them to make a profit off of them...

                         well, back to deleting photos, wish I knew

          which ones were safe to leave on here...   have a great day everyone !!

Alan,  I made a living for thirty years standing behind a  camera and on a couple of occasions had to enforce my copyright.  If the prime functional of this forum is educational it seems most of these alleged infringements would fall under Fair Use. Not to mention that the copyright on most of these old photos has expired. On many the only copyright material is for instance "NHRHTA.ORG" where the copyright on the photo itself likely expired years ago. A quick trip to photoshop will remove that from the photo.          j

JohnActon posted:

Alan,  I made a living for thirty years standing behind a  camera and on a couple of occasions had to enforce my copyright.  If the prime functional of this forum is educational it seems most of these alleged infringements would fall under Fair Use. Not to mention that the copyright on most of these old photos has expired. On many the only copyright material is for instance "NHRHTA.ORG" where the copyright on the photo itself likely expired years ago. A quick trip to photoshop will remove that from the photo.          j

John....any site that has paid advertising on it is not considered an educational site...this is from copyright law.  PLEASE...instead of having a discussion on this here in this thread, just do some research.  If you don't believe me, then call up your local attorney and have him explain it to you....Thanks!

Alan,

I do not copy or download any photographs from the internet. My posts on this thread included only photographs that I have taken with nothing copied from elsewhere on the internet. However, some of my replies had included photos that others had previously downloaded and posted onto this thread. I went through all my posts on this thread and deleted any photographs that I had copied as part of my replies. I left notations where the photographs had been removed.

MELGAR

https://ogrforum.com/...26#94347277636357626

MELGAR posted:

I went through all my posts on this thread and deleted any photographs that I had copied as part of my replies. I left notations where the photographs had been removed.

Missed one.

MELGAR posted:

GRJ,

Not sure if you're serious or kidding. I see only a photo that I took at the link you gave.

MELGAR

Hey Melgar:

I think GRJ was simultaneously kidding and not kidding.  Kidding because he got to say "You missed one!" after all your hard work and not kidding because it does look like you missed one.  At this link:

https://ogrforum.com/...26#94347277636357626

There's the awesome photo of the ”Brand new NH 4-6-4 Class I-5 #1400, at Westerly, R.I. in March 1937 .... J. W. Swanberg Collection”.

I was going to comment on this photo the other day; It's interesting that the photo of the model you posted shows the older NYNH&H logo on the tender whereas the image in the photo shows "NEW HAVEN" in block letters.  Such an attractive loco.

Steven J. Serenska

 UPDATE: It looks like you went back and removed the image while I was typing this reply...