any New Haven fans ....

CNJ 3676 posted:

For those who like to run their O gauge EP-5 models on freight trains, here's one for you. While of course best known for their passenger duties, the New Haven employed its fleet of EP-5 locomotives in priority TOFC freight service operating between Cedar Hill and The Bronx during the overnight hours. I had the opportunity to correspond with a New Haven engineman who spoke very highly of the performance of the EP-5 class in this role. The railroad also tried FL9 units on these trains but a pair of them could not equal the ability of an EP-5 to maintain the schedule. Pictured below is the 378 at Oak Point Yard in The South Bronx. Photographs of EP-5s in freight service are very rare as these operations generally occurred under the cover of darkness. (Photo: Collection of Mr. Michael Robbins)

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A lot of steam emanating from that electric locomotive!

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

TRAINDAME,

If TW Trainworx offers a New Haven coal tower kit, I can assure you of at least one customer - me! Your model is incredible and your company produces absolutely outstanding products.

MELGAR

Melgar, you will have to make that layout expansion to fit that monster.

No problem on the layout expansion! But the coal tower will fill the entire expansion...

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

This car was a diner.

MELGAR

Were they not called cafe cars?? Corrected: grill cars.

Actually, they were called Grill cars, numbered 5000-5004.  They were converted to coaches in 1952, becoming 8370-8374.

Danr posted:

Actually, they were called Grill cars, numbered 5000-5004.  They were converted to coaches in 1952, becoming 8370-8374.

Dan, you are correct; my error. I knew they weren't called diners. Thanks for refreshing my memory.

Not easy to remember since everyone seemed to have different names for the same things.

Please. In function they were diners.

MELGAR

I agree they were diners in function but in New haven parlance they were called grill cars, just as in PRR parlance a caboose was called a cabin car.

ctr posted:

Very nice New Haven - especially the Yale TOFC...

MELGAR

Here is a link to a New Haven video.  I have seen this video before but this version has been cleaned up.

Very early are pictures of the Osgood-Bradley “American Flyer” cars and, what I believe, is the grill car we talked about.

Love the hump yard part especially the guy shooting oil into the open journal boxes.  Somewhere an environmentalist is having an aneurysm.

You also get to listen to Lowell Thomas narrate.  Enjoy

A great railroad at work

  A 2-10-2 New Haven would be great. I mentioned it to Andy Edleman at the recent Amherst Train Show . He did not say yes or no but I knew it was a distant no. You never know.

Apples55 posted:

Another Facebook find... the caption reads:

”NYNH&HRR 3202 R-Class Alco-Schenectady Mountain 2-10-2. Apr 18, 1948. Photo by L.A. Bloomfield. From my collection“. 

Wish Lionel would make some New Haven (large) steamers...

The picture caption is incorrect. The pictured locomotive is a 2-10-2, which is a Santa Fe type. The Mountain type is a 4-8-2 (starting with road number 3300 on the New Haven). The main rod has been removed from the pictured locomotive - which may be in the scrap line.

MELGAR

Lionel NEW HAVEN 4-8-2 .

This pair of ex-NH FL-9s (#2014, 2016) are currently in Grapevine Texas. They will be restored to full operating condition and then sadly repainted maroon and gold to be used by the Grapevine tourist line. I went out to get pictures in their current state last weekend.

Too bad in my opinion. These locomotives from the New Haven Railroad will lose their identity.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Too bad in my opinion. These locomotives from the New Haven Railroad will lose their identity.

MELGAR

I agree Melgar. They should be showcased in the original colors. 

The right thing to do would be to leave these FL9s  as they are in the original paint scheme or at least to repaint them in the McGuiness scheme. I can't understand why none of the railroad museums in Connecticut managed to keep these New Haven Railroad artifacts in their home State.

MELGAR

New Haven FL9 2057 is on display at the Connecticut Eastern Railroad Museum in Willimantic, Ct. It’s on there website with a brief history.

Pokek

Passenger-carrying steamboats operated on Long Island Sound between between New York City, Bridgeport, New Haven, New London, Stonington, Providence and Fall River, Massachusetts beginning in 1835 . Some of the steamboat companies were owned by railroads that eventually were absorbed by the New Haven Railroad when it established through service between Boston and New York City in 1892, and the New Haven continued to operate them. Other steamboat operators competed with the New Haven until water-borne passenger service ended in1937.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Passenger-carrying steamboats operated on Long Island Sound between between New York City, Bridgeport, New Haven, New London, Stonington, Providence and Fall River, Massachusetts beginning in 1835 . Some of the steamboat companies were owned by railroads that eventually were absorbed by the New Haven Railroad when it established through service between Boston and New York City in 1892, and the New Haven continued to operate them. Other steamboat operators competed with the New Haven until water-borne passenger service ended in1937.

MELGAR

Thanks, as always, for the history, MELGAR. I’ve seen ferries loaded with boxcars, but this was the first time I saw one carrying passenger cars. Must have made for an interesting trip.

I think what looks unusual is that the trailing-truck wheels are smaller than the pilot truck wheels. According to "New Haven Power 1838-1968" by J.W. Stauffer, the trailing truck wheels were 33-inch diameter and the pilot truck wheels were 35 inches. Stauffer refers to the trailing trucks as "dinky" and "incongruously small."

MELGAR

“Incongruously small”… what a perfect description!!! 

briansilvermustang posted:

I'm not sure how this photo was created but it is a very proficient piece of modeling and photography.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

Oh the things that show up in Facebook... the caption reads:

”Fashion Show on Board the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad's Show Train, 1949. Photo by Dan Weiner“. Would have made all those commutes a bit easier...

 

During the 1960s, CCNY had professors in a dedicated car on one morning Hartford-NYC train and one evening NYC-Hartford commuter train.  You could earn college credits in those two hours.  John

rattler21 posted:

Apples55 posted:

Oh the things that show up in Facebook... the caption reads:

”Fashion Show on Board the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad's Show Train, 1949. Photo by Dan Weiner“. Would have made all those commutes a bit easier...

 

During the 1960s, CCNY had professors in a dedicated car on one morning Hartford-NYC train and one evening NYC-Hartford commuter train.  You could earn college credits in those two hours.  John

Interesting, Rattler... Adds an entirely new meaning to on line learning!!!

The photo shows New Haven's 4400 series multiple-unit cars - also referred to as "washboards" because of their fluted stainless-steel sides - manufactured in 1954 by Pullman Standard in Worcester, Massachusetts. Each car was powered by four 100 horsepower DC traction motors and drew 11,000 volt AC power from the New Haven's overhead catenary and rectified it to DC for the motors. The cars also had two third-rail pickup shoes on each truck for operation under trackage-rights on the New York Central Railroad between Woodlawn, New York  and Grand Central Terminal, a distance of 12 miles, where 650-volt DC power was supplied from a third rail.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

The photo shows New Haven's 4400 series multiple-unit cars - also referred to as "washboards" because of their fluted stainless-steel sides - manufactured in 1954 by Pullman Standard in Worcester, Massachusetts. Each car was powered by four 100 horsepower DC traction motors and drew 11,000 volt AC power from the New Haven's overhead catenary and rectified it to DC for the motors. The cars also had two third-rail pickup shoes on each truck for operation under trackage-rights on the New York Central Railroad between Woodlawn, New York  and Grand Central Terminal, a distance of 12 miles, where 650-volt DC power was supplied from a third rail.

MELGAR

Thanks, as always, MELGAR... did they usually run trains that long??? I don’t remember too may 10 car trains when I was riding Metro North, much less 11.

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

I'm not sure how this photo was created but it is a very proficient piece of modeling and photography.

MELGAR

          thanks Melgar !

briansilvermustang posted:

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New Haven Railroad Rail Diesel Car 42 still survives and will undergo a full restoration at the Berkshire Scenic Railway Museum in Lenox, Massachusetts. The car was built in 1953 at the Budd Company Red Lion Plant in Philadelphia and operated by the New Haven and Penn Central Railroads. It was retired in 1989, stored in Fall River, Massachusetts until its acquisition by BSRM in 2017, and moved to the museum in 2018. The BSRM is worth a visit by "Any New Haven Fan."

MELGAR

Such a great thread. Figured I’d get it back to the front page. 😃

greg773 posted:

Such a great thread. Figured I’d get it back to the front page. 😃

 

Very nice video, Greg - thanks for sharing. And that is a beautiful layout... is it yours or the NLOE layout???

Peter

Putnam Division posted:

Peter

Well, someone just took the hot tub time machine back to New York circa the 1960’s!!! New Haven, Penn Central, and NYC all in one shot. All that’s missing is a Hellgate Bridge!!! Nice video Peter.

P.S. Are those NYC cars the Lionel aluminum 1980’s vintage??? Look good.

Gentlemen,

Thanks for bringing the thread back up with those nice videos and layouts.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

greg773 posted:

Very nice video, Greg - thanks for sharing. And that is a beautiful layout... is it yours or the NLOE layout???

Thanks! It’s the NLOE layout.

greg773 posted:

Apples55 posted:

greg773 posted:

Very nice video, Greg - thanks for sharing. And that is a beautiful layout... is it yours or the NLOE layout???

Thanks! It’s the NLOE layout.

Thanks Greg. I was born and raised in Brooklyn, not far from the LIRR cut - I’ve been buying your great club cars for the last few years (who doesn’t love Nathan’s!!!). One of these days, I’ve got to hike out to see your layout.

Apples55 posted:

Putnam Division posted:

Pete

Well, someone just took the hot tub time machine back to New York circa the 1960’s!!! New Haven, Penn Central, and NYC all in one shot. All that’s missing is a Hellgate Bridge!!! Nice video Peter.

P.S. Are those NYC cars the Lionel aluminum 1980’s vintage??? Look good.

The NYC cars and ABA are from the 1983 MPC offering....the 20th Century Ltd.

The the sleeper and diner were later add-ons....

Peter