Lionel 2022 Volume 1 is up! Whatcha Getting?

I'm definitely in for the Base 3 to start.

I'll have to look. Going to be a good long look all evening and hopefully Ryan and Dave will talk in length about the Class A with and without the cover over the steam turret(maybe someone can poke them into talking about that when they're live).

Pilot Class A, most of the ES44s, especially excited about the IC ES44, Polar Express VL passenger car, Aberdeen Carolina and Western locos and cars and the UP ROCKET SET!

Forgot to add the Amtrak Cabbage units.

NOOOOOO, Lionel you are killing me.   B&A berkshire is back in the catalog.  But no green version.  Maybe I can get a dealer to do a special run.  Stock cars three pack but 450.00 list!!!!

So is the Safety steam the "New Feature to be announced" on the N&W Class A? Also, why does the Min Curve say O54 on page 16, but O72 on the previous page?  Typo?

More money kept in my pocket.

Pretty sure we are seeing some more on the MTH dies (0-6-0, SW1 in addition to other known items).

Vision Line ATSF & UP Stock Cars, BNSF Anniversay Diesel and Caboose, Amtrak F40 and maybe Cabbage cars, the Amfleet Cars and the 21" cars.

The UP Rocket Booster set looks pretty cool

By no means the most significant find in the catalog, but just had to mention the re-issue of the classic Lionel 175 Rocket Launcher as a NASA-themed accessory. It's been YEARS since that item was produced.

Yeah, going to be a bit before I figure all this stuff out. I browsed through, and not sure which VL Class A I will get, just know that it is not the shiny 1218 or any fantasy bits. Between the WWII & Post WWII. I'll figure that out later. Other than that, don't know.

So it appears that the information that traditional smaller, less expensive O gauge stuff would only be on-line was faulty?  The 44 Tonners at $250 MSRP seem like good value.  The ZW-L is now close to $1000 dollars MSRP.  Thomas set which was 200 bucks is now 250 bucks.  That's a big increase.  Glad I already have a ZW-L .  Like Marty, I'll be ordering the Cab 3 base.

I also notice the American Flyer catalog, while small compared with the 250 page O gauge behemoth, is 44 pages.  Should please someone, I'd hope.

This catalog suggests that Lionel's financial health is,  as stated, reasonably good to great.  You don't plan for this huge product variety and amount of innovation if you are the equivalent of Lionel in 1968.  This catalog speaks to optimism and ambition, not doom and gloom.  Good news for the hobby considering the loss of K-Line, Weaver and the downsizing of MTH.

Liking the WW2 version of the Class A…assuming the smokebox isn’t that terrible gray they’ve been using lately. And they use articulated chuff (looking at you VL Challenger).

I'm in for the Lionel Base 3 , and the NYC 060

Alex

@Landsteiner posted:

So it appears that the information that traditional smaller, less expensive O gauge stuff would only be on-line was faulty?  The 44 Tonners at $250 MSRP seem like good value.  The ZW-L is now close to $1000 dollars MSRP.  Glad I already have one .  Like Marty, I'll be ordering the Cab 3 base.

I also notice the American Flyer catalog, while small compared with the 250 page O gauge behemoth, is 44 pages.  Should please someone, I'd hope.

No, the information was correct. The hard copies of the catalog only contain the higher end scale stuff whereas the digital version contains both scale and traditional.

I am looking at the base 3 to start and then the Atlantic in Southern caught my eye.

The Good News:  There's a traditionally sized PRR S2 Turbine.

The Bad News: They used the MTH tooling, which is even SMALLER than the Lionel!

Jon

@pbuff posted:

So is the Safety steam the "New Feature to be announced" on the N&W Class A? Also, why does the Min Curve say O54 on page 16, but O72 on the previous page?  Typo?

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the new BIG announcement was being able to address the engine with 4 digits as opposed to 2.   Other engines have already had variations on where steam sprays out of the engine or tender.

Another notable feature is that I believe he said there was a speaker in the engine… I don’t think that’s been done before?

There are a couple of videos fromLionel on YouTube in regards to the new engine and the CAB3. They don’t go into too much depth but they do a high-level overview of the features.

So far, just the ATSF 2-10-4.  

I’m a little disappointed by the VL Class A.  What was the fourth “special feature”?  The 4 digit addressing?  All the other features, including the safety steam (VL Niagara) have already been on previous locos haven’t they?  

Well, inflation happened! Container costs, and lots of newly printed $ is likely why the es44 jumped $100. At least I don’t need anything in the catalog upon initial inspection. The csx b&o corporate was really cool though

@Alec_6460 posted:

So far, just the ATSF 2-10-4.  

I’m a little disappointed by the VL Class A.  What was the fourth “special feature”?  The 4 digit addressing?  All the other features, including the safety steam (VL Niagara) have already been on previous locos haven’t they?  

Yep.

@MartyE posted:

I'm definitely in for the Base 3 to start.

My question is, has Lionel discontinued the manufacturing of any handheld controllers?  It’s great that the CAB3 is compatible with the CAB1 in the CAB2 handheld remotes, but if you don’t have your hands on either of those emotes already, are you forced to use the phone app?

I like that the CAB3 allow control of all these operating systems.  

@VJandP posted:

My question is, has Lionel discontinued the manufacturing of any handheld controllers?  It’s great that the CAB3 is compatible with the CAB1 in the CAB2 handheld remotes, but if you don’t have your hands on either of those emotes already, are you forced to use the phone app?

I like that the CAB3 allow control of all these operating systems.  

The CAB1 L was in the catalog, but there is not a Cab 2 to be found in the new catalog.

Dang, I was hoping to the Cab3 app would be available to download soon. Dave just said later this year. Which sounds like months to me.

The Railway gun and Minuteman boxcar are definitely on my list. And I have no clue if I'll actually pull the trigger on it but those Legacy a5 0-4-0s are looking really nice. Considering how the Lionchief ones practically go for the same price second hand might as well go the extra mile I guess

So far it looks like the NYC 0-6-0 and B&O Bobber Caboose. I would also consider the PRR 0-6-0 if they make the tender MTH previously made for that version. The catalog art shows them all the same. WWII Class A would be nice but doubt I spring for one of those. I always liked the B&A Berkshire but probably not enough with the current tally I would have so far. I also like the Angela Trotta Thomas Hudson boxcar.

I'm sort of liking this.  Would be my first LC+2.0

I'm looking at the Aberdeen Carolina and Western F9 AB set, and debating the cars.

@MartyE posted:

Yep.

Disappointing.  That doesn’t move the needle for me at all.   And I resent the tease of something so “exciting” they kept it a secret and then its something like that.   I assumed it would be a new smoke or other operating feature.   (No disrespect to anyone who thinks that’s an awesome innovation…I don’t have enough operating Lionel stuff for 2 digit addressing to be a problem for me)

A great catalog, but so far I’m just gonna be preordering a few things: The Vision Line N&W A Class #1210, the Reading & Northern F9 AB set, and the Base3 unit!

It does look like they are not wanting to make the remotes and wanting to move to using your phone or tablet to control trains with, which for someone like me just getting setup in O scale will leave me without a remote. Phone control is ok but I would rather have a remote.

Been wanting one of the Genesis Lion Chief Plus 2.0 locos since they were initially cataloged last year. I knew from Ryan's comments that they would be offering more, especially the various Anniversary liveries.

I'm in on the Midnight Blue #100 version. Great looking loco.

But will need some suitable passenger car sets. Not sure those 2-packs on the following pages are what I want. Will be looking around for some other options, including other manufacturers.

EDIT: Offhand, the other item that caught my eye was one of the LC Plus 2.0 Hudsons. If I do get one of those, Lionel Lines is likely to be my choice

@Keith1366 posted:

It does look like they are not wanting to make the remotes and wanting to move to using your phone or tablet to control trains with, which for someone like me just getting setup in O scale will leave me without a remote. Phone control is ok but I would rather have a remote.

As posted above the Cab1L is still being made.  I'm not sure it's a matter of wanting to make a Cab3 Hardware remote but able.  Just too much changing too quickly IMO.

I’m a sucker for scale PolEx stuff. I really like the thought of this car, but it appears to be a blend of both versions of the scale PolEx passenger cars. The lettering is above the stripe and windows which is consistent with the early release of the cars (black roof).  But, it has a snow roof like the second release (which had the lettering below the stripe and windows). In other words, as illustrated, it’s not correct for either release.

I’m in if they make a proper black roof version to match the original release.

On my bucket list. • Also need to see the catalog as a hardcopy!

Gary 🚂

The horse cars are interesting, but it would be nice to have an option without sound.  At the MSRP I can find a brass one.  I know they will be discounted somewhere, but I'd still want to rip the electronics out.  I like the Amtrak Heritage set as well.  Not much else in there does much for me, but then I am not Lionel's demographic.

@KOOLjock1 posted:

The Good News:  There's a traditionally sized PRR S2 Turbine.

The Bad News: They used the MTH tooling, which is even SMALLER than the Lionel!

Jon

The set is shown on two rail gauge track !

@Rider Sandman posted:

I’m a sucker for scale PolEx stuff. I really like the thought of this car, but it appears to be a blend of both versions of the scale PolEx passenger cars. The lettering is above the stripe and windows which is consistent with the early release of the cars (black roof).  But, it has a snow roof like the second release (which had the lettering below the stripe and windows). In other words, as illustrated, it’s not correct for either release.

I’m in if they make a proper black roof version to match the original release.

I'm in for that as well.

Could someone define what a "force coupler" is?  Is this where it continues to open when you dont want it to and you force it shut with a zip tie LOL...

Looks like 1218 will have a silver smoke box. I thought these had black smoke box's plus no cab2 remotes?

@MartyE posted:

I'm in for that as well.

Do you have white roof or black roof cars?  Does the “snow” on the white roof cars have a thickness/texture or is it smooth such that it could be painted black to match the early cars?  

Would be great to know what they are actually intending to build.  I can’t imagine they are planning to release it as drawn given it matches neither release of the exiting cars.