Well here’s a Quick snapshot of todays 3rd Rail MP E6 JENKS delivery. Very Well Executed !!! Some better pix later.
Well Done Scott !!!! 👍👍👍
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Looks incredible! Can't wait for them to arrive!
T&P congrats…. And ENVY!!
@TrainBub posted:Well here’s a Quick snapshot of todays 3rd Rail MP E6 JENKS delivery. Very Well Executed !!! Some better pix later.
Well Done Scott !!!! 👍👍👍
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Looks fantastic! I have a Jenks A plus the original scheme A&B coming. 🙃
@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:Looks fantastic! I have a Jenks A plus the original scheme A&B coming. 🙃
Make sure the AB numbers match. 👍👍
@TrainBub posted:Make sure the AB numbers match. 👍👍
Will do
Nice!
I'm in for the B & O and PRR sleepers in MP colors. These E6s look great!
@BlueFeather posted:I'm in for the B & O and PRR sleepers in MP colors. These E6s look great!
Great !!!
Scott usually will offer as many as 4 unique names or numbered cars in the extra category if needed. However, there are only 2 named B&O 10-5 cars.
Cheers 🙂
My Jenks “B” arrived a day later so now A few more pix. So cool !!!
MP E6 Eagle and Jenks paint !!! 😜
THANKS Scott !!!!! 👍👍👍
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I have a A-B-A Jenks blue that came yesterday. Can’t wait to see them in the flesh!!
My MoPac AB & Jenks A arrive Thursday! 🙃🙃🙃
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@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:My MoPac AB & Jenks A arrive Thursday! 🙃🙃🙃
Be sure to post them when they arrive !!!!!
Well the E6s in Eagle and Jenks paint have been delivered and they Are beautiful. Now…..anyone else beside me like to see the E7s done ??? In both Eagle and Jenks of course. They were dropped in the last E7 run because of the porthole windows would require new tooling - and have the usual low MP, TP reservations. Well the E6 had a good number of reservations (helped along by the Texas Eagle offering) so I would anticipate a similar number of reservations could be anticipated for the E7 - especially with MP AND T&P in the mix. Perhaps also entice some fence sitters to step up. Larger reservation numbers aught to help cover tooling costs for the portholes (I hope).
What do you say MP and T&P fans ????🤔Email Scott and let him know you’d be in for E7s - MP, T&P, Eagle and Jenks !!!!!!
Cheers !!!!! 😜😜😜
@TrainBub posted:Well the E6s in Eagle and Jenks paint have been delivered and they Are beautiful. Now…..anyone else beside me like to see the E7s done ??? In both Eagle and Jenks of course. They were dropped in the last E7 run because of the porthole windows would require new tooling - and have the usual low MP, TP reservations. Well the E6 had a good number of reservations (helped along by the Texas Eagle offering) so I would anticipate a similar number of reservations could be anticipated for the E7 - especially with MP AND T&P in the mix. Perhaps also entice some fence sitters to step up. Larger reservation numbers aught to help cover tooling costs for the portholes (I hope).
What do you say MP and T&P fans ????🤔Email Scott and let him know you’d be in for E7s - MP, T&P, Eagle and Jenks !!!!!!
Cheers !!!!! 😜😜😜
Didn't Kansas City Southern have at least one E7 with round portholes like MP?
Curiosity got the best of me - a quick online check turned up this nice snap of KCS E7 #12 with portholes instead of the rectangular windows on the bulk of E7 production:
@MTN posted:Didn't Kansas City Southern have at least one E7 with round portholes like MP?
Curiosity got the best of me - a quick online check turned up this nice snap of KCS E7 #12 with portholes instead of the rectangular windows on the bulk of E7 production:
I checked it out. Nice “snag”. So another porthole addition to go with the MP T&P. Probably the reason KCS wasn’t offered previously.
Any KCS passenger cars match up with MP's fleet - that might get a foot in the door for a porthole E7 if a short KCS trainset could be built up. I wonder if any other roads had a porthole E7.
Hmmm. I see KCS acquired at least 1 from the Maine Central in 1962. MC was an original buyer and had 7. We can add this to the porthole gang though I don’t know how much interest there would be for the MC.
@TrainBub posted:Hmmm. I see KCS acquired at least 1 from the Maine Central in 1962. MC was an original buyer and had 7. We can add this to the porthole gang though I don’t know how much interest there would be for the MC.
I saw a couple snaps of MEC E7s and they had small square windows, much smaller than the standard rectangular openings most had; there are also MEC snaps showing E7s with the standard rectangular openings - I guess they didn't have any small porthole versions like the MP and KCS owned.
@MTN posted:I saw a couple snaps of MEC E7s and they had small square windows, much smaller than the standard rectangular openings most had; there are also MEC snaps showing E7s with the standard rectangular openings - I guess they didn't have any small porthole versions like the MP and KCS owned.
I can’t imagine KCS buying a used E7 and adding new porthole windows. But this is not an area of expertise for me. I’ll ask any KCS and MC experts chip in here.
@TrainBub posted:I can’t imagine KCS buying a used E7 and adding new porthole windows. But this is not an area of expertise for me. I’ll ask any KCS and MC experts chip in here.
Caption with a picture of KCS E7 #12 states it was bought from MEC, but I haven't seen one in an early MEC green/yellow/gold stripe paint scheme similar to the one B&M used (with maroon and yellow/gold striping). Here are links to a couple MEC units:
https://railroadforums.com/for...passenger-power.238/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/478653/
Small/square portholes: http://wxtoad.rrpicturearchive...ture.aspx?id=3552424
I can't find a roster showing how many KCS E7s they owned - did they purchase any new, or were they all from MEC? If they purchased new they could have had the round porthole variant.
To make matters worse, I turned up a b&w shot of KCS #12 with standard rectangular windows - this is certainly screwy: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/571686/
KCS did modify the side panels on both their E6s and E7s after delivery by EMD. There are photos of both with the original square windows.
Modifications to the side panels of E and F units was pretty common in general. L&N did a similar modification to their E6 as well as add additional ventilation where windows used to be. Southern also similarly modified side panels to replace windows with ventilation louvers.
It was fairly common practice later in life on E8s and E9s to blank the porthole windows all together.
@GG1 4877 posted:KCS did modify the side panels on both their E6s and E7s after delivery by EMD. There are photos of both with the original square windows.
Modifications to the side panels of E and F units was pretty common in general. L&N did a similar modification to their E6 as well as add additional ventilation where windows used to be. Southern also similarly modified side panels to replace windows with ventilation louvers.
It was fairly common practice later in life on E8s and E9s to blank the porthole windows all together.
Did KCS buy any E7s new, or did they only have the ones they purchased from MEC? There's the b&w shot of KCS #12 with standard rectangular windows, but several color shots showing #12 with the round portholes). There are some snaps of MEC E7s being scrapped and there's a small square window unit next to a standard rectangular window unit (not a round porthole in sight). Did MEC buy any E7s with round portholes? E7s seem to be the most modified of the E unit family (Pennsy had so many modified E7s it would drive rivet counters crazy).
@MTN posted:Didn't Kansas City Southern have at least one E7 with round portholes like MP?
Curiosity got the best of me - a quick online check turned up this nice snap of KCS E7 #12 with portholes instead of the rectangular windows on the bulk of E7 production:
That photo with the round portholes is dated March 1967 - seems odd that KCS would "backdate" #12 to have the round portholes - maybe they had spares from F units on hand?
This is a good “sub-thread” with info that can hopefully have value in a next run of E7s.
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@TrainBub posted:This is a good “sub-thread” with info that can hopefully have value in a next run of E7s.
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Sorry for veering off course a bit - I thought that perhaps there might be more porthole E7 units out there - if there were several roads that had them, then 3rd Rail might be able to justify doing a run of them. I looked through the Railpictures site and found a later shot of KCS #12 with portholes and no lettering on the side: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/407481/
and no MEC E7 shots with portholes - there are, however a ton of E7 shots with all manner of mods (most involving vents added along the carbody - it looks like E7s needed to have alterations to aid with cooling:
@MTN posted:Sorry for veering off course a bit - I thought that perhaps there might be more porthole E7 units out there - if there were several roads that had them, then 3rd Rail might be able to justify doing a run of them. I looked through the Railpictures site and found a later shot of KCS #12 with portholes and no lettering on the side: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/407481/
and no MEC E7 shots with portholes - there are, however a ton of E7 shots with all manner of mods (most involving vents added along the carbody - it looks like E7s needed to have alterations to aid with cooling:
Nice clear picture !!!
Save your KCS pix for references for the next E7 run. We will need all the portholes we can muster so to speak !!!!
cheers !!!🙂👍
We’re finally Ready !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3D pix of MANY Eagle cars posted on the GGD Webpage !!!!!!!!
Reservations Closing SOON !!!!!! Now it’s Really Time to Step Up !!!!!!
Cheers !!! 😜
Wow! Look at all those rivets. Looking forward to this one.
Leon
@Purplepapa posted:Wow! Look at all those rivets. Looking forward to this one.
Leon
Good eyes Sir. Every one of Each Line was verified via a Clear Photograph and finding them was Tough !!!!
Notice some lines are double. There’s a periodicity to all - until it’s not. I’ve strived to be as prototypical correct as possible.
I hope everyone is as excited about this as I am !!!! 😜😜😜
Cheers !!! 🙂
@TrainBub posted:Good eyes Sir. Every one of Each Line was verified via a Clear Photograph and finding them was Tough !!!!
Notice some lines are double. There’s a periodicity to all - until it’s not. I’ve strived to be as prototypical correct as possible.
I hope everyone is as excited about this as I am !!!! 😜😜😜Cheers !!! 🙂
Your efforts show! I really think this set will be GGD’s best yet. the detail differences from car to car are unbelievable! I would love to see the pullman sleepers, the grill coach & the sleeper/ lounge designs.
Are there designs for the 14-4 Sleeper that would sit at the end in lieu of observation car? Will there be a lighted drumhead in the door window? Something else signifying end of train?
@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:Your efforts show! I really think this set will be GGD’s best yet. the detail differences from car to car are unbelievable! I would love to see the pullman sleepers, the grill coach & the sleeper/ lounge designs.
Scott picked what to show and it’s quite a few. 🤔 I think Pretty nifty. But what the heck. Be “greedy”. 😳
Send him an email. 🫣
@NickRiv posted:Are there designs for the 14-4 Sleeper that would sit at the end in lieu of observation car? Will there be a lighted drumhead in the door window? Something else signifying end of train?
First, everyone needs to understand the Texas Eagle did not have an observation car. MP had only 2 and Only ran on Missouri River Eagle. They are only offered here because everyone likes them - usually wants one.
No one took pictures of non-observation MP car tail cars that shows a drumhead. At least I couldn’t find any. Best I found was a folding lattice like gate across rear by the door. So I can’t say if it existed - would be prototypical. There are no plans for a 14-4 drumhead.
The 5BR-lounge (offered as an extra car) is another Possible tail car option. Maybe. Still no MP drumhead. What gets interesting with this car is that it was leased (?) / ran on the B&O National Ltd as a replacement for an observation car. It ran on the NL with MP/T&P Eagle paint with a B&O Drumhead !!! I’ve a picture of this.
So would now be a good time to bring up a few coach cars ... 
St. Louis, Brownsville and Mexico Railway (StLB&M) Eagle Coach
New Orleans, Texas & Mexico (NOT&M) Eagle Coach
@TrainBub posted:Well the E6s in Eagle and Jenks paint have been delivered and they Are beautiful. Now…..anyone else beside me like to see the E7s done ??? In both Eagle and Jenks of course. They were dropped in the last E7 run because of the porthole windows would require new tooling - and have the usual low MP, TP reservations. Well the E6 had a good number of reservations (helped along by the Texas Eagle offering) so I would anticipate a similar number of reservations could be anticipated for the E7 - especially with MP AND T&P in the mix. Perhaps also entice some fence sitters to step up. Larger reservation numbers aught to help cover tooling costs for the portholes (I hope).
What do you say MP and T&P fans ????🤔Email Scott and let him know you’d be in for E7s - MP, T&P, Eagle and Jenks !!!!!!
Cheers !!!!! 😜😜😜
Unfortunately it may have reduced the number of potential purchasers as they have a limited amount of funds and may not want two sets of nearly identical engines. Hopefully they will get produced though, they're stunning.
I will also make a shameless plug for Missouri Pacific owning these gems:
C&EI | 475-478 | 1953 | 1969 | 440-443 |
C&EI | 479-480 | 1953 | 1970 | 444-445 |
C&EI | 481-482 | 1953 | 1969 | 446-447 |
C&EI | 483 | 1953 | 1970 | 448 |
C&EI | 484 | 1953 | 1969 | 449 |
Here a few odds n ends for a heads up on why there are some differences between the MP and T&P consists. Keep in mind that 8 cars for a consist was the desired size. MP and T&P didn’t always buy a given car in same numbers. If MP would buy 10, T&P might buy 1. The coaches were crazy like this. If T&P bought Pullmans, MP bought Budds. MP has 3 domes, T&P just 1.
All This made for problems putting together 8 car consists and still be able to offer extras. So there are some limitations. For example, I’ll be getting the MP set but will add a T&P Coach and Pullman as these cars are not present in the MP set. They are different cars. Also remember all cars have unique names and/or numbers. There are up to 4 for each if prototypical. All cars are in “Eagle paint” except the NDM 10-6.
Head end cars and the Budd 10-6 sleeper have 6 wheel trucks, remaining 4 wheel trucks. The Rivets are prototypically Done (a Lot of work!!!) Interiors for each type car are unique.
Blinds vary. Bathrooms are closed, lounge, observation, and most exterior passageways are open (sometime a porter might get busy and miss one 🤣🤣🤣), chair areas partial. Bunk beds in dorm should be visible.
Im sure I’m forgetting some things so ….. more later. 🤔
Cheers !!! 😜
@vash44 posted:So would now be a good time to bring up a few coach cars ...
St. Louis, Brownsville and Mexico Railway (StLB&M) Eagle Coach
New Orleans, Texas & Mexico (NOT&M) Eagle Coach
So many subs - I didn’t Dare cloud the path forward / options. But there is some unfinished business ………. Hopefully ….. one step at a time !!!!!
And don’t anyone forget to reserve the MP SLUMBERCOACH !!!!! A B&O one Also ran on the Eagle !!!!!!!
