Rolling Stock Monday

Well, thanks Bob and Don for expanding our horizons!!! Here’s the biggest piece of rolling stock on my roster - a NYC Schnabel car.

@Apples55 posted:

Well, thanks Bob and Don for expanding our horizons!!! Here’s the biggest piece of rolling stock on my roster - a NYC Schnabel car.

Paul, is that able to get around your layout? I’ve got the Lionel machinery car. It was an add on to the machine shop that I don’t have. The car doesn’t clear the bridges! 😡

Thanks Bob (& Don), this gives a greater opportunity to share our other rolling stock with the exception of the 2 you mentioned.

I would like to share my 2 Lionel bulkhead flat cars that I customized with a wood deck and JD tractors. I also added an EDT. The battery harness is in the box along with a switch.

Gene

An older Lionel car

- walt

Well to "celebrate" our new thread here is a British Petroleum (BP) trailer on flat car (TOFC) by Lionel, car #6429

Happy "Rolling Stock Monday"  everyone!!!

Don

@pennsyfan posted:

Paul, is that able to get around your layout? I’ve got the Lionel machinery car. It was an add on to the machine shop that I don’t have. The car doesn’t clear the bridges! 😡

The answer is yes and no, Bob. I only have one bridge on my layout…

With the bridge up, anything can fit under it. With it down, pantographs have conniptions (don’t ask how I know). However, crossing it is problematic for tall cars (I can’t run double stacked intermodals for example). When I was planning my layout, @leapinlarry was kind enough to point out the height limitations of the lift section, but I just had to use the bridge because it reminds me so much of the Gil Hodges  Memorial Bridge!!!

@Apples55 posted:

The answer is yes and no, Bob. I only have one bridge on my layout…

With the bridge up, anything can fit under it. With it down, pantographs have conniptions (don’t ask how I know). However, crossing it is problematic for tall cars (I can’t run double stacked intermodals for example). When I was planning my layout, @leapinlarry was kind enough to point out the height limitations of the lift section, but I just had to use the bridge because it reminds me so much of the Gil Hodges  Memorial Bridge!!!

Oh, I know it well. When I was a kid it was 10 cents to cross. I was drawn to the RR. Bridge application. Sometimes when traffic was really bad in NJ I would take truck 1&9 and that was right next to the bridge.

Okay, I'll jump in!  About the time I was finishing high school, these showed up on the B&O near my home.  Of course some had B&O and some had C&O on them instead of WM.  I thought that was a nice touch Chessie System did.  Perhaps an early heritage scheme.

The Lionel Center Span Lift Bridge is modeled after the Park Avenue Railroad Bridge in NYC, currently in use by Metro North. The Marine Parkway-Gil Hodges Memorial Bridge is quite similar, and, when built in 1937, was the longest center span lift bridge in the world. It’s now $2.60, each way, for non Rockaway residents to cross.

Track cleaning car, unknown manufacturer. I've never used it but like the way it looks.

@Dave Ripp. posted:

Track cleaning car, unknown manufacturer. I've never used it but like the way it looks.

Dave, it came from Northeast Trains out of Peabody, MA. I have one that I kit bashed a Labelle boxcar and made it removable to access the screws. It does a fine job at light maintenance.

Gene

It’s Rolling Stock Monday 12/9/24.
It’s about all rolling stock with the exception of Boxcars since they are extremely well covered on BOXCAR SUNDAY(with 200 plus pages, Dave is doing a great job.) and Beer Rolling Stock.I only became aware of the Beer Rolling stock thread recently. So let’s see your auto loaders, boat loaders, cabeese, cranes and crane tenders, flat cars, gondolas, hoppers, industry specific, MOW, ore cars, food reefers, tank cars, vat cars, well cars,stock cars, etc. Please follow the forum’s TOS.

Today I have a caboose that I have been looking for, for a very long time. It’s a common 9272 New Haven Bay Window caboose but it has a distinctive marking; the METCA logo embossed in Silver. The caboose came in a crisp original box and is absolutely Mint.

For this week I'll go with an MTH Wabash flat car that I weathered. Excuse the dust mess, layout in progress.

This is a Lionel NH flat car that I used for an open air passenger car. I added an additional wood plank deck, bench kits and hand built the deck rails.

Gene

@Genemed posted:

This is a Lionel NH flat car that I used for an open air passenger car. I added an additional wood plank deck, bench kits and hand built the deck rails.

Gene

Nice, I've seen similar in little excursion trains at museums.

@Genemed - I like yours so much better than mine.  But I guess I like them both for what they are.

- walt

Living in Brooklyn all through grade school and high school, when it came to grocery shopping, we’d have to walk a couple of blocks to the store. If we walked to Flatbush Avenue, we had a choice of two A&P’s - these are two new Lionel reefers I just picked up from Grzyboski’s…

If we walked the opposite direction to Nostrand Avenue, there was an old Bohack market, and thanks to the NJ HiRailers, I have a nice set of reefers to remember those days.

The very first supermarket I remember visiting when I was VERY young was a one of the original Waldbaums on Coney Island Avenue… thanks to @MELGAR, I am still on the hunt for one more reefer!!!

Thanks @walt rapp @Dave Ripp. it was quite a task to make the railings and posts and have it removable.

Gene

@Apples55 - Paul, I grew up in New Jersey (Bloomfield) and can remember from about age 4 my Mom taking me with her to the A&P which was within walking distance. I have never connected with an A&P  boxcar so I am still on the lookout.  We didn't have a "Bohack's"  or a "Waldbaums" (at least as it plays in my 4 year old memory).

Well today friends, I have decided to celebrate what is perhaps one of  the most humble of our rolling stock, the "GONDOLA".  While today, many of us have long 50 ft or 60 ft gondolas and we need to remember that when Lionel pioneered the use of molded plastics in the early pw (WW II) period it was a gondola that was used as the lead car. However, as I often do, I am going back earlier than that.  

Remember that for the most part, at least in the early part of the century, toy trains were the provenance of children.  Oh yes we had some really great detail scale hobbyists but for the most part it was children, primarily boys, who the products from the main manufacturers were aimed.  So why was the gondola often included in every new set?  Because a gondola represented a great opportunity for PLAY.  It could give things a "ride", it could transport toy soldiers, it could move rocks or sand, it could carry anything that child wished to have go on the train.  That was a huge expansion of the play value of a set (or outfit as Lionel called them) .  So here are some early gondolas'

Well here is the "old guard", the Lionel, "Lake Shore" gondola from 1924 although it was available earlier in a lighter grey and even a pale red.  She carries  the Lionel "Corp" stamp on her bottom and is just 4 wheels.  Think about how many toy soldiers she could carry ..."to the front" ... during the post war days of WW I.

Now, time moves on and we are getting more robust with the availability of an 8 wheel car with trucks and journal boxes.  It was however 1935 and the US, indeed the world, was in the grips of the Great Depression.  Families could not afford Lionel's beautiful hand painted enamel cars (although Lionel Cowen loved them ) and so to keep the Company solvent, cheaper products had to be found.  One solution was lithography.  Cowen never really liked it, thought it looked cheap compared to his "beautiful" enameled offerings, BUT it allowed the visual inclusion of great detail with very modest expense.  So he allowed the development of two series of lithographed freight cars around 1935,  the 16XX cars at 7 1/2 " and the 17XX cars at 9 1/2" . Interestingly the 16XX cars became the first to be identified as "0-27" after the designation of "Lionel Jr." was dropped in 1937.

So here is the Lionel Lines # 1677 gondola of 1935 ready to move out and carry whatever that young engineer wanted as cargo in his imaginary RR empire.  Indeed, this one below, has had a rough life, perhaps carrying sand and rocks vice toy soldiers, but these cars are not so easy to find.  Their cheap price made them "expendable" in compared with Lionel's other (and much more expensive) freight car lines so they tended to be played with hard and then Mom threw them away (OH NO!).

Well Happy Rolling Stock Monday everyone.  Best wishes for a great Holiday season

Best Regards, Don

@Don McErlean posted:

@Apples55 - Paul, I grew up in New Jersey (Bloomfield) and can remember from about age 4 my Mom taking me with her to the A&P which was within walking distance. I have never connected with an A&P  boxcar so I am still on the lookout.  We didn't have a "Bohack's"  or a "Waldbaums" (at least as it plays in my 4 year old memory).

Well today friends, I have decided to celebrate what is perhaps one of  the most humble of our rolling stock, the "GONDOLA".  While today, many of us have long 50 ft or 60 ft gondolas and we need to remember that when Lionel pioneered the use of molded plastics in the early pw (WW II) period it was a gondola that was used as the lead car. However, as I often do, I am going back earlier than that. 

Remember that for the most part, at least in the early part of the century, toy trains were the provenance of children.  Oh yes we had some really great detail scale hobbyists but for the most part it was children, primarily boys, who the products from the main manufacturers were aimed.  So why was the gondola often included in every new set?  Because a gondola represented a great opportunity for PLAY.  It could give things a "ride", it could transport toy soldiers, it could move rocks or sand, it could carry anything that child wished to have go on the train.  That was a huge expansion of the play value of a set (or outfit as Lionel called them) .  So here are some early gondolas'

Well here is the "old guard", the Lionel, "Lake Shore" gondola from 1924 although it was available earlier in a lighter grey and even a pale red.  She carries  the Lionel "Corp" stamp on her bottom and is just 4 wheels.  Think about how many toy soldiers she could carry ..."to the front" ... during the post war days of WW I.

Now, time moves on and we are getting more robust with the availability of an 8 wheel car with trucks and journal boxes.  It was however 1935 and the US, indeed the world, was in the grips of the Great Depression.  Families could not afford Lionel's beautiful hand painted enamel cars (although Lionel Cowen loved them ) and so to keep the Company solvent, cheaper products had to be found.  One solution was lithography.  Cowen never really liked it, thought it looked cheap compared to his "beautiful" enameled offerings, BUT it allowed the visual inclusion of great detail with very modest expense.  So he allowed the development of two series of lithographed freight cars around 1935,  the 16XX cars at 7 1/2 " and the 17XX cars at 9 1/2" . Interestingly the 16XX cars became the first to be identified as "0-27" after the designation of "Lionel Jr." was dropped in 1937.

So here is the Lionel Lines # 1677 gondola of 1935 ready to move out and carry whatever that young engineer wanted as cargo in his imaginary RR empire.  Indeed, this one below, has had a rough life, perhaps carrying sand and rocks vice toy soldiers, but these cars are not so easy to find.  Their cheap price made them "expendable" in compared with Lionel's other (and much more expensive) freight car lines so they tended to be played with hard and then Mom threw them away (OH NO!).

Well Happy Rolling Stock Monday everyone.  Best wishes for a great Holiday season

Best Regards, Don

Very nice post Don; but you missed something. The humble gondola was the very core of Lionel. Josh Cowan developed the motorized gondola so store keepers could attract attention with their goods moving around the window. When customers wanted the gondola more than the product it was promoting; that evolved into Lionel Trains.

Let's see, while not all of them, we have these active photo albums:

Beer Rolling Stock

Boxcar Sunday

STEAMday Sunday

Switcher Saturday

a picture a day

Team Track Tuesday

Freight Trains

Weekend Photo Fun

Front End Friday

Tail End Tuesday

Unusual, unique, and rare

Western Road Wednesday

Pennsylvania RR

Passenger Trains

Picture of the Day

F3 for Fridays

Now we have Rolling Stock Monday which was Reefer Monday (changed because some folks were running out of reefers).

So looking for cars that do not fit into the above categories, here are my rolling stock for today.  Two 3rd Rail models.

Six Dome Ambrose Wine Co.  First picture is what it looked like out of the box, the second with Atlas trucks.

Chlorine Tank Car

PS.  I think reefers are still good under this topic.

@CAPPilot posted:

So looking for cars that do not fit into the above categories, here are my rolling stock for today.  Two 3rd Rail models.

Six Dome Ambrose Wine Co.  First picture is what it looked like out of the box, the second with Atlas trucks.

Ron;

Looks like the engineer and conductor have been sampling the wares   That is definitely an unusual tank car - I don’t think I’ve ever seen a six dome car. Thanks for sharing.

Ron ,

You have to unique cars there. I wasn’t aware that chlorine was shipped that way  As to your comment about reefers; yes this is the place for non beer reefers.

@Don McErlean posted:

@Apples55 - Paul, I grew up in New Jersey (Bloomfield) and can remember from about age 4 my Mom taking me with her to the A&P which was within walking distance. I have never connected with an A&P  boxcar so I am still on the lookout.  We didn't have a "Bohack's"  or a "Waldbaums" (at least as it plays in my 4 year old memory).

Well Happy Rolling Stock Monday everyone.  Best wishes for a great Holiday season

Best Regards, Don

We didn’t have a car until I was in college, so we either walked or took NYC subways or buses. That really was a simpler time. I think, in those days, both Bohack and Waldbaums were pretty much limited to the city and Long Island. If you like the A&P reefers I posted, they were recently released and several of our fine forum sponsors show them in stock.

Since Don broached the subject of gondolas… here’s a few covered versions from my roster.

@pennsyfan- You are so right Bob, I did miss that "first" gondola, made of wood and with just a circle of track, designed to just carry "something" for sale in a shop window.  Of course I do not have any sample of that car or anything even close to it.  Any of Lionel's  2 7/8" gauge trains from his earliest era command such high prices I would have to sell my car to just even bid on them .  Wish I could have posted one of those.  Best Wishes and thanks for the comment.

Don

@Apples55 - Paul, thanks for all the comments and posting some really neat pictures of covered gondolas.   I liked your comment about the family not having a car.  We did have a car because my father and grandfather (we lived in a 2 family house with my grandparents)both went to work in directions not covered by public transportation, even though my father only drove to the RR station and then took a train.

However we had both buses and trolley cars as I was growning up, although the trolley's went away before I was 10 so we would go to the stores on those as well.

Great swapping tales with you, Best Wishes

Don

It’s Rolling Stock Monday 12/16/24
It’s about all rolling stock with the exception of Boxcars since they are extremely well covered on BOXCAR SUNDAY(with 200 plus pages, Dave is doing a great job.) and Beer Rolling Stock.I only became aware of the Beer Rolling stock thread recently. So let’s see your auto loaders, boat loaders, cabeese, cranes and crane tenders, flat cars, gondolas, hoppers, industry specific, MOW, ore cars, food reefers, tank cars, vat cars, well cars,stock cars, etc. Please follow the forum’s TOS.

For this Monday I have 2 rolling stock items recently acquired by the Farmingdale Traction Company. The tank car and work caboose were previously owned; but the paint shop quickly applied the FTC lettering.

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That caboose brings back memories from my first train set from the early 60’s, Bob - mine was a Santa Fe version of that work caboose which is still one of my favorites.

@Apples55 posted:

That caboose brings back memories from my first train set from the early 60’s, Bob - mine was a Santa Fe version of that work caboose which is still one of my favorites.

Paul, I’m happy to stir it up for you. 😎

my not-so-perfect version of a cattle car.

- walt

Well following @pennsyfan and @Apples55 here are a couple of my work cabooses, the Lionel C&O #6219 from 1960 and the Lionel D.L.&W # 6419 from 1948-1950 and 1952-1955.

Then going to school on @walt rapp had to have one of my cattle cars.  This one from Marx...Hey Marx is the "low end" right, so with Marx you get ONE cow...that's it!!

Best Wishes for a happy RSM everyone ...

Don

@CAPPilot posted:

...snip... Chlorine Tank Car

I have two of those;  one Halogen Chemical and one Jones Chemical. Only one has a load of Cl tanks, though. The tanks are fairly accurate. I used to see them being exchanged at one of the Baltimore water treatment plants; they were using a dedicated flatbed semi-trailer that was equipped the same as the flatcar.

@Apples55 posted:

Ron;

.......That is definitely an unusual tank car - I don’t think I’ve ever seen a six dome car. Thanks for sharing.

I had not seen a six-dome car either and wasn't sure there was a prototype for it.  So I looked it up after I bought it.  This is a car made specifically to haul wine.  There were two styles of 6-dome wine cars, one by General American Tank Car and the other by American Car & Foundry.  This 3rd Rail all brass model is of an AC&F car.

My notes say Ed Hawkins provided this information:  Wine comes in all sorts of types and quality.  Much of what was hauled by rail, was a lower grade product that was bottled in the market area served.  Wine cars came in different configurations ranging from single compartment, two, three, four and six compartment designs.

Here are a couple more pics of my 6-dome:

There are packing sheds galore for the Union Pacific to work in California’s Great Valley.  My scene pictures a local on its way to Crows Landing to drop off reefers for the cantaloupe crop.

Since others are showing their work caboose, here is mine.  However, it is not going to be a caboose for long.  The Pennsy did not have anything like this, so I plan to put a scale single dome tank car body on it and it will be close to a car the Pennsy used for fire fighting.  I will also need to paint it battleship grey to fit into my late 1940's theme (camp car yellow was not used until late 1953). 

MTH

@Apples55 posted:

That caboose brings back memories from my first train set from the early 60’s, Bob - mine was a Santa Fe version of that work caboose which is still one of my favorites.

Paul, I’m liking these work caboose cars. Other than used, has there been a recent production or a possible future preorder that you know of?

Gene

Here is a nice Rock Island made by MTH for Berwyn’s Toys & Trains.