Allegheny posted:The Allegheny 1600, 1602, 1603, 1605 , 1607, 1608.1609, 1610
Why would you want to bring back anything else???
Why would anyone want a model of one of the ugliest, most ill-proportioned engines to ever ride American rails?
Kirk R posted:As a newcomer to the hobby I'm a bit confused by the OP's posting and some of the responses. Maybe there should be a separate thread, but if there were to be a top ten it might make more sense to be road name agnostic and just look at the engine and how it helped U.S. commerce, transportation, passengers, the war effort etc. in general. There are a lot of cool looking trains but many duds (I have the S2 turbine PW, caterpillar and Pennsy T1... all fell short but look awesome).
From a historical perspective I would put a higher priority on those engines that made a difference.
You're not confused. A lot of this thread has made little to no sense....at all.
Allegheny posted:The Allegheny 1600, 1602, 1603, 1605 , 1607, 1608.1609, 1610
Why would you want to bring back anything else???
Haha Great locomotive. I've got some other ones I'd like to post here but one would be a Virginian AG and Virginian MB
Berkshire President posted:Kirk R posted:As a newcomer to the hobby I'm a bit confused by the OP's posting and some of the responses. Maybe there should be a separate thread, but if there were to be a top ten it might make more sense to be road name agnostic and just look at the engine and how it helped U.S. commerce, transportation, passengers, the war effort etc. in general. There are a lot of cool looking trains but many duds (I have the S2 turbine PW, caterpillar and Pennsy T1... all fell short but look awesome).
From a historical perspective I would put a higher priority on those engines that made a difference.
You're not confused. A lot of this thread has made little to no sense....at all.
It is not supposed to make sense, a thread like this is a flight of fancy, what people would love to save if they could. Looked at in the cold light of day (or with an accountant's or banker's heart) restoring and saving old engines is a fools errand, whether it was a big boy, a T1, whatever, since there is no profit in it, no practical reason to do so, the engines that have been saved have been saved because people wanted to save them for purely emotional reasons......even the corporate steam program at UP is driven by emotions, the public relations they get out of the steam program is all about people's emotions around steam engines, and likely if people at UP weren't emotionally invested in it to some extent it likely wouldn't exist, given that the PR value of doing that is not easy to measure *shrug*.
Again, we'll have to agree to disagree....respectfully.
Virginian AE 2-10-10-2
Virginian PA 4-6-2
Great Northern S-1 4-8-4
Great Northern O-8 2-8-2
Northern Pacific Z-5 2-8-8-4
Northern Pacific Z-6 4-6-6-4
Baltimore & Ohio EM-1 2-8-8-4
Rio Grande L-131 2-8-8-2
Rio Grande M-75 4-8-2
Rio GRande M-64 4-8-4
Stuart
I like to have seen a m2 mountain type steam locomotive Seaboard Air Line.And an r1 2-6-6-4 steam locomotive also Seaboard Air Line.These locomotives ran through my home town of monroe n.c.
smd4 posted:Allegheny posted:The Allegheny 1600, 1602, 1603, 1605 , 1607, 1608.1609, 1610
Why would you want to bring back anything else???
Why would anyone want a model of one of the ugliest, most ill-proportioned engines to ever ride American rails?
SMD4, You must have misread my posting, I wasn't speaking about the Big Boy or an EMD SD40!
Berkshirelover726 posted:Allegheny posted:The Allegheny 1600, 1602, 1603, 1605 , 1607, 1608.1609, 1610
Why would you want to bring back anything else???
Haha Great locomotive. I've got some other ones I'd like to post here but one would be a Virginian AG and Virginian MB
Agreed I'll drop the 1610 and pick up the Virginian AG 900, Same locomotive different paint job.
NYC J3A
NYC Niagara
Pennsylvania Q2
Norfolk and Western Y6b
Union Pacific 119
Central Pacific Jupiter
Pennsylvania T1
Norfolk and Western Jawn Henry
Erie Triplex
Western Maryland Potomac
Allegheny posted:Berkshirelover726 posted:Allegheny posted:The Allegheny 1600, 1602, 1603, 1605 , 1607, 1608.1609, 1610
Why would you want to bring back anything else???
Haha Great locomotive. I've got some other ones I'd like to post here but one would be a Virginian AG and Virginian MB
Agreed I'll drop the 1610 and pick up the Virginian AG 900, Same locomotive different paint job.
Actually, the C&O H-8 and the VGN AG did have some differences. The sand boxes were different, with the H-8 having larger ones than the AG, and the AG had more water capacity in the tender (26,500 gals vs 25,000 gals).
Stuart
Just 2.
Milwaukee 261
CB&Q O5
CBQer posted:Just 2.
Milwaukee 261
CB&Q O5
Isn’t 261 already saved and in operation?
NS6770Fan posted:CBQer posted:Just 2.
Milwaukee 261
CB&Q O5
Isn’t 261 already saved and in operation?
there is no place for actual reality in this thread.......
CBQer posted:Just 2.
Milwaukee 261
CB&Q O5
In reality four CB&Q O5s are saved: 5614 in Missouri, 5629 in Colorado, 5631 and 5633 in Wyoming.
Now that I am better at this stuff, here are some personal opinions regarding more than 10 engines:
- Southern Pacific MT-4 #4354: Portland, OR
- Southern Pacific AC-11 #4274: Golden Gate Railroad Museum
- Louisville & Nashville M-1 #1985: Operational out of the Southeastern Railway Museum
Here's another 10:
1. C&O K-3 2-8-2
2. L&N Big Emma 2-8-4
3. SOU Ts-1 4-8-2
4. IC 4-6-4 #1
5. NYC Dreyfuss Hudson
6. N&W E2a 4-6-2
7. CNW E2a 4-6-2
8. CNW J-4 2-8-4
9. N&W Streamlined K2 4-8-2
10. Erie S-3 2-8-4
Harizon posted:Here's another 10:
1. C&O K-3 2-8-2
2. L&N Big Emma 2-8-4
3. SOU Ts-1 4-8-2
4. IC 4-6-4 #1
5. NYC Dreyfuss Hudson
6. N&W E2a 4-6-2
7. CNW E2a 4-6-2
8. CNW J-4 2-8-4
9. N&W Streamlined K2 4-8-2
10. Erie S-3 2-8-4
Glad to see I'm not the only one who wishes an Erie 2-8-4 had been preserved.
Now when I started this thread it was really meant as a hypothetical "What would you save/bring back if you could?" sort of this. I'm pretty surprised my topic has been "bumped," so many times over the last year.
A few of my own:
1. DRGW M-68 4-8-4
2. DRGW L-105 4-6-6-4
3. DRGW L-132 2-8-8-2
4. D&SL Class 76 2-6-6-0
5. UP CSA-1 4-6-6-4
6. UP MT-1 4-8-2
7. NP Z-8 4-6-6-4
8. C&S E-5-A 2-10-2
9. C&S 70
10. SP AM-2 4-6-6-2
Any PRR K4 preservation effort should return the loco to its pre “beauty treatment” arrangement. Slatted pilot, no chin strap, lowered headlight, raised dynamo...
Jon 
KOOLjock1 posted:Any PRR K4 preservation effort should return the loco to its pre “beauty treatment” arrangement. Slatted pilot, no chin strap, lowered headlight, raised dynamo...
Jon
I disagree. The "modern look" is what I remember seeing, and learning/working on, in South Amboy, NJ in the mid to late 1950s. I personally think they look better that way, plus easier to work on.
I too prefer the post-war look on Pennsy steam. The steel pilot added a touch of modern to what by all accounts were fairly ancient steam locomotives working past their normal service life. I never realized you worked on those Jack. Was this prior to going to EMD? What haven't you worked on? 
As to the topic? Hard for me to say. So many wonderful steam locomotives have been saved only to rot away due to lack of funding or skill to care for them properly. Maybe if anything some of the late high drivered American Standards of the 20th Century. Regardless of road, I always thought the later versions of that class to be attractive locomotives.
I think they should all be restored with non-govt funding.
It's not like we don't have any functional steam engines running now.
And we do have some serious problems for the gov't to spend tax money on.
Otherwise I agree with Eddie. The 700e, 224, and I would add the 2025 & 2029 to the list.
Any opinions on my proposed K4 survivors?
There was a lot more involved in the modern PRR K4 pilot beams. I understood that there was major surgery that would be difficult to undo.
Andrew Boyd posted:Any opinions on my proposed K4 survivors?
What K4 survivors? There are two K4s locomotives surviving, i.e. no K4 versions: 1) one on the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, which is across the street from the Strasburg Rail Road, 2) the other, #1361, is in Altoona, PA and is currently under re-re-restoration.
Hot Water posted:Andrew Boyd posted:Any opinions on my proposed K4 survivors?
What K4 survivors? There are two K4s locomotives surviving, i.e. no K4 versions: 1) one on the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, which is across the street from the Strasburg Rail Road, 2) the other, #1361, is in Altoona, PA and is currently under re-re-restoration.
Andrew's original post related to specific K4s that no longer exist as I recall.
I think you are being generous in calling #1361 a survivor.
GG1 4877 posted:Hot Water posted:Andrew Boyd posted:Any opinions on my proposed K4 survivors?
What K4 survivors? There are two K4s locomotives surviving, i.e. no K4 versions: 1) one on the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, which is across the street from the Strasburg Rail Road, 2) the other, #1361, is in Altoona, PA and is currently under re-re-restoration.
Andrew's original post related to specific K4s that no longer exist as I recall.
I don't remember either.
I think you are being generous in calling #1361 a survivor.
Not to worry, Jonathan. The 1361 has been taken out of the hand of the "management" of that Railroader's Museum in Altoona, and is under the control of Bennet Levin and Wick Moreman. Thus,,,,,,there are absolutely NO "information leaks"! Very knowledgeable steam rebuild experts are now involved.
GG1 4877 posted:Hot Water posted:Andrew Boyd posted:Any opinions on my proposed K4 survivors?
What K4 survivors? There are two K4s locomotives surviving, i.e. no K4 versions: 1) one on the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, which is across the street from the Strasburg Rail Road, 2) the other, #1361, is in Altoona, PA and is currently under re-re-restoration.
Andrew's original post related to specific K4s that no longer exist as I recall.
I think you are being generous in calling #1361 a survivor.
That is correct. At least, it was the first attempt where I actually understood that fictional locomotives don't count.
I don't have a list of 10 but
LIRR # 39
The last G5-s in existence.
Hot Water posted:Not to worry, Jonathan. The 1361 has been taken out of the hand of the "management" of that Railroader's Museum in Altoona, and is under the control of Bennet Levin and Wick Moreman. Thus,,,,,,there are absolutely NO "information leaks"! Very knowledgeable steam rebuild experts are now involved.
I completely forgot about that and I totally agree that no news from these true experts is good news.
RSJB18 posted:I don't have a list of 10 but
LIRR # 39
The last G5-s in existence.
There were three G5s locomotives saved:
PRR 5741;
LIRR 35;
LIRR 39.
PRR 5741 is at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.
Stuart
The Erie Triplex, the most powerful steam locomotive ever build. More powerful than the Big Boy or anything else. Got two models, one in HO brass and the MTH O gauge version.
Melvin P posted:The Erie Triplex, the most powerful steam locomotive ever build. More powerful than the Big Boy or anything else.
Except the boiler could NOT keep up with the steam demand of 6 cylinders, thus the poor thing wasn't good for much over 15 MPH. The Erie Railroad wanted to use it on one of their steep grades (forgot the name of the grade), and it couldn't even work very well at that assignment.
Hot Water posted:Melvin P posted:The Erie Triplex, the most powerful steam locomotive ever build. More powerful than the Big Boy or anything else.
Except the boiler could NOT keep up with the steam demand of 6 cylinders, thus the poor thing wasn't good for much over 15 MPH. The Erie Railroad wanted to use it on one of their steep grades (forgot the name of the grade), and it couldn't even work very well at that assignment.
The Erie scrapped them between 1929 - 1933 and the Virginian Triplex was rebuilt into a 2-8-8-0 and a 2-8-2 after 4 years.
Rusty
Far more successful but often over looked are Virginian's 10 class AE 2-10-10-2's, built by ALCO in 1918, which worked for 30 years, mostly unmodified, with a TE over over 135,000 lbs (as much as 176,000 lbs in simple!). Largest cylinders (48-inches) and largest boiler barrel diameter (118.5 inches).
Wouldn't it be grand to see a pair of these shoving a coal drag up the 2.11% grade at Elmore. You could likely just about jog along side them.
Bob
bbunge posted:Far more successful but often over looked are Virginian's 10 class AE 2-10-10-2's, built by ALCO in 1918, which worked for 30 years, mostly unmodified, with a TE over over 135,000 lbs (as much as 176,000 lbs in simple!). Largest cylinders (48-inches) and largest boiler barrel diameter (118.5 inches).
Wouldn't it be grand to see a pair of these shoving a coal drag up the 2.11% grade at Elmore. You could likely just about jog along side them.
Bob
The main reason that those Virginian AE class 2-10-10-2 locomotives were so successful was,,,,,,,,,they were compounds.
Stuart posted:RSJB18 posted:I don't have a list of 10 but
LIRR # 39
The last G5-s in existence.
There were three G5s locomotives saved:
PRR 5741;
LIRR 35;
LIRR 39.
PRR 5741 is at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.
Stuart
Just a fun fact, the 5741 and 39 are less than a half mile away from eachother now! Possibly the closest they’ve ever been!
Hot Water posted:bbunge posted:Far more successful but often over looked are Virginian's 10 class AE 2-10-10-2's, built by ALCO in 1918, which worked for 30 years, mostly unmodified, with a TE over over 135,000 lbs (as much as 176,000 lbs in simple!). Largest cylinders (48-inches) and largest boiler barrel diameter (118.5 inches).
Wouldn't it be grand to see a pair of these shoving a coal drag up the 2.11% grade at Elmore. You could likely just about jog along side them.
Bob
The main reason that those Virginian AE class 2-10-10-2 locomotives were so successful was,,,,,,,,,they were compounds.
That, and they were properly designed and proportioned.
Stuart
@GG1 4877 posted:Andrew's original post related to specific K4s that no longer exist as I recall.
I think you are being generous in calling #1361 a survivor.
That is correct. I had the idea that for exceptionally large and remarkable classes, I'd have ten of them saved in certain locations.
