Alabama, Tennessee and Northern. (Early, interesting regional from Mobile to York - Alabama, not Pennsylvania.)
New York Central.
Not falling for that second one, eh? But we need the 5344 J1e in it's second, Century-style streamlining.
But seriously, folks - thanks to all of you who "voted" for the Gulf, Mobile and Ohio (GM&O) as
neglected, but the GM&O has actually had surprisingly good representation in the O-gauge world.
Not enough, mind you, but Williams and MTH have produced GM&O diesels, and MTH has offered a
fair representation of GM&O (ex-Alton) steam: heavy Pacific Premier, and a less-accurate RK version.
Weaver offered a brass GM&O 0-6-0 years ago (I've got it). Lionel's scale Alton Limited set has a
loco that is a fair evocation of the pre-GM&O heavy Pacific.
Rolling stock has been offered by most of the "biggies" - freight and passenger.
A big misstep is Williams NOT offering their scale FA-1 in GM&O (though their 0-27 FA-2 has been made
as GM&O). I had to paint and decal an ABA set myself. A pain. Had to remove the dynamic brake details, too. The GM&O had the first Alco FA's, ever. Even the New York Central had to wait on the Rebel Route's FA's to be completed before they got theirs (the NYC had the second group of FA's ever built).
And look up "GM&O" and "1900" if you want to see a loco ahead of its time. Ingalls Shipbuilding near Mobile got
into the diesel locomotive business, and built one demonstrator. The GM&O bought it, and it spent its life switching in Mobile, before
being traded in to EMD on a GP-something. It looked like a cross between a Genset and an EMD F-unit.
Oh, not sure who mentioned it, but the GM&O's rolling stock actually often had rather elaborate lettering/decoration.
D500, I thought about nominating GM&O but didn't simply because there are a good bit of its engines and rolling stock out there. That's why I went with NC&SL and SL-SW instead in widely known roads.
Remember the Weaver three car steel side set, with a different location on each car? You had Jackson, Birmingham and Mobile. Weaver also had the PS-1. I have one of each.
And Atlas has certainly remembered GM&O. Several cars of different eras including a reefer. And, best of all, Atlas has done three GM&O engines. I have the GP and SD, but missed out on the F3. Atlas also did an EV caboose, which I have.
Btw, if you meant the Lionel Pacific "Red Train" I hate to break the news, but the engine and tender were identical copies of both the green Southern light Mountain and the CNJ Blue Comet Pacific. Same tooling. The drivers were changed out from the Mountain and it had a different coat of paint and just a few other very minor details, but otherwise was the same engine.
Remember the Weaver three car steel side set, with a different location on each car? You had Jackson, Birmingham and Mobile. Weaver also had the PS-1. I have one of each.
And Atlas has certainly remembered GM&O. Several cars of different eras including a reefer. And, best of all, Atlas has done three GM&O engines. I have the GP and SD, but missed out on the F3. Atlas also did an EV caboose, which I have.
Btw, if you meant the Lionel Pacific "Red Train" I hate to break the news, but the engine and tender were identical copies of both the green Southern light Mountain and the CNJ Blue Comet Pacific. Same tooling. The drivers were changed out from the Mountain and it had a different coat of paint and just a few other very minor details, but otherwise was the same engine.
I think that Wabash should be included also.
Norm
Norm
Is there somewhere online that lists past and present RRs according to "Class" (OK Farmer Bill, it's all yours 
)?
The only thing I found was on Wikipedia, but who knows how accurate the data is.
Here's what Wikipedia had on past and current RRs:
CLASS I RAILROADS
)? The only thing I found was on Wikipedia, but who knows how accurate the data is.
Here's what Wikipedia had on past and current RRs:
CLASS I RAILROADS
Lehigh Valley Railroad Steam
ABERDEEN & ROCKFISH and nothing else even comes close! 
Simon
Simon
Ginsaw - you are absolutely correct about Lionel using a lot of basic tooling on their USRA light 4-8-2
(an excellent model) and their Alton (eventually GM&O) 4-6-2 - not to mention their Erie "Heavy Pacific".
I turned my Erie into a freelance Hudson - that big firebox just cried out for a 4-wheel trailing truck (from
Lionel scale J3a). I just think that the "red engine" is so elegant - almost tinplate pretty - that I
love it anyway. Lionel did bother to put on fairly accurate domes. Manufacturing priorities are a black art, I sometimes think.
And I forgot Atlas - which is hilarious, as I have 2 Atlas GP35's and an SD40 in GM&O. I missed the F3, also - but I do
have the MTH GM&O ABA Postwar-style set.
Of course, one cannot have too much GM&O (I didn't mean to imply that), and I appreciate what has been made and I hope much more follows.
I worked for them and successor ICG here in the GM&O's headquarters and namesake city, so I really buy
pretty much what comes out with M&O, GM&N, Alton and GM&O on it.
I painted a Postwar Lionel 681 PRR turbine in GM&O colors (the "Alton" red) and lettering for a friend os mine, once. He requested it.
It looked far better than you would think, and made a hit at train shows.
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BUT - let's talk NC&StL steam locomotives - specifically the last 2 batches of stream-styled 4-8-4's. These Dixies
(for those who don't know, the "Northerns" on the Dixie Line just couldn't be called that, so 4-8-4's were "Dixies")
were just about as gorgeous as steam locomotives ever got, "out-handsomed" only by NYC Hudsons (both plain and fancy),
Niagaras (another not-"Northern") and maybe the N&W J's and streamlined K2 Mountains. Maybe. They tie the SP GS 4-8-4's.
Lionel, MTH, 3rd Rail: if you build it (the sleek NC&StL Dixie), I will buy it.
Possibly K-line (of North Carolina) would have, eventually. I miss K-line.
(an excellent model) and their Alton (eventually GM&O) 4-6-2 - not to mention their Erie "Heavy Pacific".
I turned my Erie into a freelance Hudson - that big firebox just cried out for a 4-wheel trailing truck (from
Lionel scale J3a). I just think that the "red engine" is so elegant - almost tinplate pretty - that I
love it anyway. Lionel did bother to put on fairly accurate domes. Manufacturing priorities are a black art, I sometimes think.
And I forgot Atlas - which is hilarious, as I have 2 Atlas GP35's and an SD40 in GM&O. I missed the F3, also - but I do
have the MTH GM&O ABA Postwar-style set.
Of course, one cannot have too much GM&O (I didn't mean to imply that), and I appreciate what has been made and I hope much more follows.
I worked for them and successor ICG here in the GM&O's headquarters and namesake city, so I really buy
pretty much what comes out with M&O, GM&N, Alton and GM&O on it.
I painted a Postwar Lionel 681 PRR turbine in GM&O colors (the "Alton" red) and lettering for a friend os mine, once. He requested it.
It looked far better than you would think, and made a hit at train shows.
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BUT - let's talk NC&StL steam locomotives - specifically the last 2 batches of stream-styled 4-8-4's. These Dixies
(for those who don't know, the "Northerns" on the Dixie Line just couldn't be called that, so 4-8-4's were "Dixies")
were just about as gorgeous as steam locomotives ever got, "out-handsomed" only by NYC Hudsons (both plain and fancy),
Niagaras (another not-"Northern") and maybe the N&W J's and streamlined K2 Mountains. Maybe. They tie the SP GS 4-8-4's.
Lionel, MTH, 3rd Rail: if you build it (the sleek NC&StL Dixie), I will buy it.
Possibly K-line (of North Carolina) would have, eventually. I miss K-line.
quote:Originally posted by CentralFan1976:quote:Originally posted by German:
The New York Susquehanna & Western!
I second that! It's the line that I grew up with!
Wait a minute. Atlas O has made the NYS&W RS1's in four paint schemes and the cabooses in 2, as well as the susie q box car. The problem is that all of these were limited editions, so if you missed them there is not much hope for re-runs.
The PRR. Those who are jealous of it would like to ignore it.
Bill
Bill
quote:Originally posted by gmorlitz:
...but for me and I suspect many other fans of either the NYC or PRR, the PC was a combination with a hated rival and an unmitigated disaster. It is forever banned from my railroad.
Gerry
I am not upset about the merger, as the original "Penn Central" would probably would have been a success, it was the New Haven that dragged us down...
maa5344... Those shortlines are a long way from Illinois, spend some time up here, did ya?
And...yes. I missed the atlas NYS&W S-2's, but they have owned some many more (and modern) diesels.
D500, I believe Atlas also has a GM&O RS out there somewhere too, so that's really four engines. I missed on their GP in a powered black/white, but got the dummy GP and run it with the SD. What I also did was to buy all the southern area roadnamed pulpwood flats I could find (Atlas did two in GM&O - one's almost impossible to find) and run them in a GM&O consist. It seems such a natural given the pine forests of southern Mississippi. I also as a kid used to see them at Corinth and figured the wood they brought up probably found its way to the pulp paper mill at Pickwick via the Corinth & Counce.
I used to ride the SR's Tennessean out of Corinth in the '50s and they had and still have that passenger station there marked for both roads. But I never rode any GM&O trains and don't recall seeing their passenger trains either. I don't know what service they had then in this area.
Anyway, when Weaver did the three car GM&O steelside boxcar set I could have and almost bought all three. But I got just the Mobile marked one.
I agree that the NC&SL Dixies were attractive. I certainly always enjoyed seeing the one in Nashville's Centennial Park. They were however a little on the small side for 4-8-4s. That's why they were able to bring them over here into Memphis, my hometown. Otherwise, there would have been nowhere to turn them.
Btw, that "red" engine maybe should have been maroon. But I'm not totally sure.
I used to ride the SR's Tennessean out of Corinth in the '50s and they had and still have that passenger station there marked for both roads. But I never rode any GM&O trains and don't recall seeing their passenger trains either. I don't know what service they had then in this area.
Anyway, when Weaver did the three car GM&O steelside boxcar set I could have and almost bought all three. But I got just the Mobile marked one.
I agree that the NC&SL Dixies were attractive. I certainly always enjoyed seeing the one in Nashville's Centennial Park. They were however a little on the small side for 4-8-4s. That's why they were able to bring them over here into Memphis, my hometown. Otherwise, there would have been nowhere to turn them.
Btw, that "red" engine maybe should have been maroon. But I'm not totally sure.
The Santa Fe for sure!!
Just kidding...I agree with the Maine Central. And Lionel has made very little Gulf, Mobile and Ohio stuff.
Just kidding...I agree with the Maine Central. And Lionel has made very little Gulf, Mobile and Ohio stuff.
How bout the Chicago,Racine , Altoona & Peoria
Study hard you'll figure it out
David
Study hard you'll figure it out
David
Hands down its a tie....the most ignored railroad is either the Pennsylvania, New York Central or Santa Fe. Why oh why is the mighty Pennsylvania so ignored!!!!
David
David
Short of room for a layout? How about the Iola & Northern, a full five miles of track between Waupaca, WI, passed through Scandinavia, WI. and terminated in Iola, WI.
My nominations are the Central of Georgia,the Louisville and Nashville and the Detroit,Toledo and Ironton.
IMHO this topic has drifted all over.Some were listing specific models,some were criticizing manufacturers products that have been made.
If shortlines and regionals of today and the past are considered the list would/could eventually cover every railroad that existed.
My choices came from class I roads from the 1940s and 1950s.
Favorites were easier to model many years ago in HO gauge[or O] because many models were available undecorated and decals were available for nearly every railroad.
IMHO this topic has drifted all over.Some were listing specific models,some were criticizing manufacturers products that have been made.
If shortlines and regionals of today and the past are considered the list would/could eventually cover every railroad that existed.
My choices came from class I roads from the 1940s and 1950s.
Favorites were easier to model many years ago in HO gauge[or O] because many models were available undecorated and decals were available for nearly every railroad.
quote:Originally posted by DukeGG1:quote:Originally posted by PRSL Dave:
No question, PRSL. (even if it's not, the squeaky wheel gets the grease!
What's been ignored, Dave, is PRSL diesels & prototypical cabin cars!
Some MOW would be nice, too.
Guy
I can't argue with you there, Guy. I'd love some PRSL Baldwin power like the AS-16s Bowser is releasing in HO in April.
Ginsaw - yeah, the Red P-16 color may be correct, but I'm not sure either. It's in the ballpark, so
I'll live with it. Pretty, and the loco is only an emulation, not a replica. Funny that MTH and Lionel
have both done the Alton/GM&O P-16's, but neither really "did" them in fact.
The MTH version, in the GM&O "Alton Route" black/graphite/red may not be the exact loco, but the paint
scheme is pretty much dead-on. I've modified my loco to look a bit more accurate, but...
I forgot the MTH GM&O RS3, also - and I've got one! (dummy, in both ways). I didn't get the Atlas GM&O RS3
because I had already painted one (an Atlas) for GM&O. Lotta work, even without the stripes. I've got
to be more patient.
The Dixies have been done in HO brass within the last 5(?) years, so, maybe. This sounds like a job for WEAVER! (Hint, hint.)
Also, FYI, after the GM&O fully dieselized mainline service in 1949, they stored "serviceable" several of their USRA
Mikados, which the NC&StL leased, and put in service between Jackson, TN and Nashville. I think this was for a year or two(?)
They did not re-letter them, so far as I know, so one could run GM&O steam on the pre-L&N Dixie Line.
I'll live with it. Pretty, and the loco is only an emulation, not a replica. Funny that MTH and Lionel
have both done the Alton/GM&O P-16's, but neither really "did" them in fact.
The MTH version, in the GM&O "Alton Route" black/graphite/red may not be the exact loco, but the paint
scheme is pretty much dead-on. I've modified my loco to look a bit more accurate, but...
I forgot the MTH GM&O RS3, also - and I've got one! (dummy, in both ways). I didn't get the Atlas GM&O RS3
because I had already painted one (an Atlas) for GM&O. Lotta work, even without the stripes. I've got
to be more patient.
The Dixies have been done in HO brass within the last 5(?) years, so, maybe. This sounds like a job for WEAVER! (Hint, hint.)
Also, FYI, after the GM&O fully dieselized mainline service in 1949, they stored "serviceable" several of their USRA
Mikados, which the NC&StL leased, and put in service between Jackson, TN and Nashville. I think this was for a year or two(?)
They did not re-letter them, so far as I know, so one could run GM&O steam on the pre-L&N Dixie Line.
quote:maa5344... Those shortlines are a long way from Illinois, spend some time up here, did ya?
Hi Central Fan,
I lived in Schenectady for many years. Home of GE and the former Alco Steam Works, birthplace of the NYC Hudson and other great steam Locos.
Mike
quote:Originally posted by PRSL Dave:quote:Originally posted by DukeGG1:quote:Originally posted by PRSL Dave:
No question, PRSL. (even if it's not, the squeaky wheel gets the grease!
What's been ignored, Dave, is PRSL diesels & prototypical cabin cars!
Some MOW would be nice, too.
Guy
I can't argue with you there, Guy. I'd love some PRSL Baldwin power like the AS-16s Bowser is releasing in HO in April.
Yes a AS16 PRSL I crawled all over those when they parked at the Wildwood station. ( I was bad) But we never damaged them, love those ugly engines.
I like all odd ball cars, it makes for interesting trains. Freight or passenger cars.
I also would like to see two car sets of Southern, ACL, and seaboard passenger cars like the GG1's hauled to NYC for those roads.
I think the best bet would be Weaver or Atlas for those cars.
I haven't even heard of 3/4 of the railroads mentioned here. I don't think having two people know of the Osh Kosh and Ishkabibble warrants a toy train manufacturer to try it out. Out of the major class ones mentioned I think Lehigh Valley steam is probabl;y the most ignored I would vote for a Wyoning
I'm w/ Ben on this deal. I saw 5 votes for the Texas and Pacific and mine will make 6. Remember they were the second major railway to have a joining of the rails, which was in Sierra Blanca, Texas, just east of El Paso, ten years after the one in Utah, due to the problems raising capital in the deep South after the somewhat less than civil war. But all that unpleasantness aside the joining of the rails did happen and it would be nice to have more Texas Pacific steamers other than what limp efforts have been done so far. IMHO 
quote:Originally posted by beertrain:
I'm w/ Ben on this deal. I saw 5 votes for the Texas and Pacific and mine will make 6. Remember they were the second major railway to have a joining of the rails, which was in Sierra Blanca, Texas, just east of El Paso, ten years after the one in Utah, due to the problems raising capital in the deep South after the somewhat less than civil war. But all that unpleasantness aside the joining of the rails did happen and it would be nice to have more Texas Pacific steamers other than what limp efforts have been done so far. IMHO
I have a Texas & Pacific 2-10-4 Was going to paint it in Erie then Lioenl announced one with Legacy
quote:Originally posted by bluelinec4:
I haven't even heard of 3/4 of the railroads mentioned here. I don't think having two people know of the Osh Kosh and Ishkabibble warrants a toy train manufacturer to try it out. Out of the major class ones mentioned I think Lehigh Valley steam is probabl;y the most ignored I would vote for a Wyoning
Ben,
I don't know about the Oshkosh but I kinda like to see one in Ishkabibble livery
It's been a while since they did that one
David
I have never, ever seen anything, in any scale, for the International & Great Northern.
Would also like to see Georgetown Railroad (Central Texas).
Aaron
Would also like to see Georgetown Railroad (Central Texas).
Aaron
I think they should make more Readung stuff. I always liked the Reading & wish someone would make more of it besides the usual GP30/SW1500
quote:Originally posted by Christopher2035:
I think they should make more Readung stuff. I always liked the Reading & wish someone would make more of it besides the usual GP30/SW1500
If you can find it, MTH made an SD-45 in Reading (Bee Line Service) in 1995.
Weaver made an Alco C628 (C630?) around the same time.
They would both be great candidates for ERR upgrades.
quote:Originally posted by GCRailways:
I have never, ever seen anything, in any scale, for the International & Great Northern.
Aaron
Oh, I wouldn't say any scale:
(S Scale models by S Helper Service.)
Of course, some would say S Scale isn't just ANY scale...
Rusty
How about: The NY, Ontario & Western, which ran from Weehawken, NJ up to Oswego, NY? It went belly-up in '57.
Also: The "WAG": The Wellsville, Addison & Galeton a shortline in north central PA.
Also: The "WAG": The Wellsville, Addison & Galeton a shortline in north central PA.
quote:Originally posted by fmbugman:
Looking at the interesting "road name" thread I wonder, what are people's perception of the most ignored (by Lionel, MTH, and Atlas (and the others)) road name by revenue or freight carried or passengers carried or any other grouping you care for as to why there should be more of that road name.
I am basically looking for what road name do you wish you saw more O scale made?
White Mountain Scenic RR.
Central Vermont and Rutland !
If you want to say shortlines then Marinetta & Tomahawk Railway and Tenessee Central are ignored in O Scale and O gauge.
Wabash and Akron, Canton & Youngstown are on the margins.
MONON still has a lot of Locos and freight cars from the 1950's and 1960's to be mass produced.
Andrew
Wabash and Akron, Canton & Youngstown are on the margins.
MONON still has a lot of Locos and freight cars from the 1950's and 1960's to be mass produced.
Andrew
quote:Originally posted by trnluvr:
The Mohawk Adirondack and Northern !!
Alcos Rule!!!!
http://farm6.static.flickr.com...734_70339d3c81_b.jpg
Doug
Andrew,
How about the Mississippi Central:
My wife is from Vicksburg too, I'm wondering why she never said I need to model one of these engines
How about the Mississippi Central:
My wife is from Vicksburg too, I'm wondering why she never said I need to model one of these engines
Bob, without even looking it up I can tell you some things about the Miss. Central. It's very, very old and in recent times was part of the IC. Then it became the Miss. Central again as a shortline. Now it sees very little traffic. It used to cross the Southern at Grand Junction, but it's now cut off there instead of an actual crossing. They can still switch into the NS however.
The old station's still there, but it's seen better days.
The steam engines in your pics probably worked the road when it was a mainline operation from Jackson TN all the way to Oxford MS and on south. It was a big deal in those days and was an important north-south route.
The present day motive power is painted in an interesting black/yellow scheme that reminds me slightly of the Erie.
I have a long, long personal history with that town and the rails in and out of there.
Anyway, I nominated this one too as an "ignored road"...
The old station's still there, but it's seen better days.
The steam engines in your pics probably worked the road when it was a mainline operation from Jackson TN all the way to Oxford MS and on south. It was a big deal in those days and was an important north-south route.
The present day motive power is painted in an interesting black/yellow scheme that reminds me slightly of the Erie.
I have a long, long personal history with that town and the rails in and out of there.
Anyway, I nominated this one too as an "ignored road"...
MidSouth was a short lived spin-off road that was absorbed into the KCS. Were they around too few years to be considered in O Scale and O gauge?
Andrew
Andrew
They weren't around long and were not an old, old roadname like the Miss Cen. They came after the IC and before it returned to the original name. But, they did have interesting engines with green on them.
I doubt they're eligible to compete here...
Corinth & Counce though in shortlines would be a much better choice. They certainly had a pretty rolling stock paint scheme.
Btw, KCS is still involved in this region with its ex-GM&O trackage east of Grand Junction over at Corinth. It also crossed on the Southern as a major north-south line.
I doubt they're eligible to compete here...
Corinth & Counce though in shortlines would be a much better choice. They certainly had a pretty rolling stock paint scheme.
Btw, KCS is still involved in this region with its ex-GM&O trackage east of Grand Junction over at Corinth. It also crossed on the Southern as a major north-south line.
The Corinth & Counce High-Cube Box cars were once a common sight on the Grand Trunk Western in the 1990's, but since O Scale has such limited number of designs in High-Cube Box cars, the scheme will have to be applied to either the Atlas O Berwick or the MTH Premier 50' High-Cube Box cars.
Andrew
Andrew
quote:Originally posted by Hot Water:
How about Buffalo Creek and Gauley RR, down in West Virginia?
Would love to see some of the MTH Premier Fishbelly hoppers in BC&G, prototypical or not. Former BC&G 2-8-0 #14 is on display in Gaithersburg MD, not very far from my home.
quote:Originally posted by MUEagle:
Hands down its a tie....the most ignored railroad is either the Pennsylvania, New York Central or Santa Fe. Why oh why is the mighty Pennsylvania so ignored!!!!
David
Really....I coulda sworn I would've seen Milwaukee or Northern Pacific coming from you David.....
